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Re: W3C Web Payments Workshop cleaned Minutes

From: Stephane Boyera <boyera@w3.org>
Date: Fri, 04 Apr 2014 15:47:19 +0200
Message-ID: <533EB7E7.8020400@w3.org>
To: Joseph Potvin <jpotvin@opman.ca>, Wendy Seltzer <wseltzer@w3.org>, Dave Raggett <dsr@w3.org>
CC: team-webpayments-workshop-announcement@w3.org, Web Payments CG <public-webpayments@w3.org>
Hello Joseph,

all your comments make total sense to me, and i just implemented them. I 
updated accordingly the minutes.


Le 03/04/2014 22:13, Joseph Potvin a écrit :
> Stephane and W3C team, I'm only catching up now with the wonderfully
> prompt and thorough reporting of the workshop after being offline for
> a week on a side trip. Thanks to the whole W3C team on an outstanding
> event and follow-up!
> I would like to request two amendments to the minutes, as follows:
> 1. The title provided to my comments in the minutes is: "Hidden Choice
> can be Anti-Consumer - Joseph Potvin". It seems to me that this title
> attaches an opinionated spin to my neutral observations.
> http://www.w3.org/2013/10/payments/minutes/2014-03-25-s4/#topic-4  In
> my comments I attempted to be non-critical, and neither my
> presentation deck nor my written submission
> http://www.w3.org/2013/10/payments/papers/ expressed any opinion as
> such. My visual and oral presentation illustrated and briefly
> explained a choice of currency conversion options using the example of
> the PayPal process. And my full written submission was non-committal
> on the controversial topic of restrictions by intermediaries upon the
> choices that sellers or buyers may make in relation to the three
> attributes of price. What I did advocate was that if any such
> restrictions are to be permitted under a new W3C web payments
> standard, they ought to be explicit.  My suggested sub-section title
> therefore is: "Transparency of Roles Affecting all Attributes of
> Price".
> 2. Also, I wish to request a tweak of terminology in the Use Case
> derived from my comments. The minutes has this phrased as: "USE CASE:
> Enable the customer and the merchant to choose foreign exchange rates
> and how foreign exchange affect their prices, give them the choice,
> not the financial network/intermediary."
> I recommend that this should instead read: "USE CASE: Enable the
> customer and the merchant to determine the inter-currency valuation
> benchmarks, given that this is a core attribute of price. Require that
> any restrictions on choice related to core attributes of price be made
> transparent and explicit.
> Brief background:  "Foreign exchange rates" are just one sort of
> inter-currency valuation benchmark that can be chosen. It's a type
> that is regulated under capital controls legislation and potentially
> also WTO and IMF mandates. Well, actually that's been a newsworthy
> topic during the past two months:
> http://uk.reuters.com/article/2014/03/31/uk-swiss-forex-investigation-idUKBREA2U06K20140331
> But that's not the issue I was getting into. I intentionally stuck to
> the more generic language "value in exchange benchmark" to emphasize
> that what customers and the merchants can choose amongst are a
> diversity of benchmarks. The level of choice I was referring to just
> involves contract law.
> Please let me know if the rapporteurs have any issue with making these
> two adjustments to the minutes. It comprises an important and lasting
> record.  Precision in the language used in relation to these two
> aspects is important as we develop the participation of additional
> stakeholders from the monetary and financial services domains.
> Joseph Potvin
> On Thu, Apr 3, 2014 at 11:51 AM, Stephane Boyera <boyera@w3.org> wrote:
>> Dear All,
>> Thanks to the great help from the Web Payments Community Group and Manu
>> Sporny, we just published a new cleaned version of the minutes of the
>> workshop at
>> http://www.w3.org/2013/10/payments/minutes/
>> The agenda with links to slides and presentations is available at
>> http://www.w3.org/2013/10/payments/agenda
>> We are planning to circulate a draft report for your comments in the next 10
>> days.
>> Best
>> Stephane
>> --
>> Stephane Boyera        stephane@w3.org
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>> France

Stephane Boyera        stephane@w3.org
W3C                +33 (0) 6 73 84 87 27
BP 93
F-06902 Sophia Antipolis Cedex,
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