Re: Web Payments Telecon Minutes for 2013-11-13

On Nov 13, 2013, at 2:37 PM, David I. Lehn <dil@lehn.org> wrote:

> The minutes for this week's Web Payments telecon are now available here:
> 
> https://payswarm.com/minutes/2013-11-13/
> 
> Full text of the discussion follows for archival purposes at the W3C.
> This telecon was only on IRC so no audio is available.
> 
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> 
> Web Payments Community Group Telecon Minutes for 2013-11-13
> 
> Agenda:
>   http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-webpayments/2013Nov/0034.html
> Topics:
>   1. Update from W3C TPAC
>   2. W3C TPAC Breakout Session on Web Payments
>   3. Web Payments Workshop
>   4. The Rest of W3C TPAC
> Chair:
>   Manu Sporny
> Scribe:
>   David I. Lehn
> Present:
>   David I. Lehn, Manu Sporny, Dave Longley
> Audio:
>   None
> 
> David I. Lehn is scribing.
> 
> Topic: Update from W3C TPAC
> 
> Manu Sporny: Ok, so we've been getting a ton of exposure at W3C
>   TPAC 2013.
> Manu Sporny: I've been going around to the various Working Groups
>   that are working on stuff related to what we're doing and have
>   been introducing the work we're doing in the Web Payments group.
> Manu Sporny: There have been a number of people from large
>   organizations that have come up to me to talk about where we are
>   and where we expect the work to go. All good interactions for the
>   most part.
> Manu Sporny: The first group I presented at was the Broadcast
>   Interest Group, which is a group of broadcasters that are
>   interested in the Web as a delivery mechanism. They were
>   interested because they want to sell broadcast content over the
>   Web. I invited them to the breakout session we had today and a
>   number of them came.
> Manu Sporny: The second group was the Digital Publishing Interest
>   Group, who basically give input to other Working Groups to tell
>   them what they need to work on to make digital publishing more
>   prevalent using Web technologies. They care about selling eBooks
>   and digital written content, so they were interested in the Web
>   Payments work. It was mild interest because most of what the
>   group does has to do w/
> Manu Sporny: display of eBooks using Web browsers.
> Manu Sporny: The third group was the Systems Applications Working
>   Group, who are working on the Secure Element API. We're
>   interested in their work because there are a number of hardware
>   devices that are capable of doing digital signatures and identity
>   authentication using the Secure Element API (either via contact
>   pin/chip chards or contactless NFC).
> Manu Sporny: I also spent time talking w/ Mark Nottingham (Chair
>   of HTTPbis Working Group) about HTTP/2.0 and the HTTP Security
>   spec, and hope to follow up with him on that later this week.
> Manu Sporny: I had a meeting with W3C Management to coordinate
>   how we're going to run the upcoming workshop on Web Payments next
>   March, during the last week of that month in Paris.
> 
> Topic: W3C TPAC Breakout Session on Web Payments
> 
> Manu Sporny: Most of the time on Monday and Tuesday was spent
>   trying to build support for the Web Payments Breakout session
>   today.
> Manu Sporny: I was expecting only around 7-10 people to come to
>   the workshop. We had 25 people show up, with around another 8
>   that wanted to make it but couldn't due to conflicts.
> Manu Sporny: The minutes for that meeting can be found here:
>   https://payswarm.com/minutes/2013-11-13-workshop/
> Manu Sporny: So, the workshop went fairly well.
> Manu Sporny: We had good attendance, I did a quick 15 minute-ish
>   overview and then opened the floor up to questions.
> Manu Sporny: There was a mix of electronics manufacturers
>   (Toshiba, Samsung, LG, Nokia), payment processors (PayPal,
>   PayGate, Positron), mobile operators (Telefonica, Orange),
>   television/broadcasters/media companies (TBS, WOWOW), and
>   security companies (Gemalto)
> Manu Sporny: there was also someone from the National Association
>   of Convenience Stores, who process lots and lots of credit cards.
> Manu Sporny: So, we had almost every group that we'd want to have
>   in a Working Group in the room. The only people we were missing
>   were people from government, but W3C is fairly light in that
>   area.
> Manu Sporny: There was a lot to cover and not enough time, but we
>   got some very good discussion done in the time we had. Most of
>   the concern was around creating a solution that didn't
>   disadvantage or advantage any particular player.
> Manu Sporny: For example, PayPal was very concerned about the
>   browser vendors being unfairly advantaged. They were also
>   concerned about mobile operators being advantaged.
> Manu Sporny: There was concern around there being a full stack
>   (PaySwarm) proposed instead of a discussion before the fact. I
>   tried to make it clear that PaySwarm is just a proposal and
>   emboidies the type of stuff we'd like to do in the group.
>   However, it's just meant as a starting point and we'd modify the
>   specs to pull in other technologies, or if another member has a
>   better technology, we'd use that
> Manu Sporny: instead.
> Manu Sporny: The end result was a clear demonstration of support
>   for the Workshop in Paris, so that was a really good outcome.
> Manu Sporny: Any questions on this before we move on?
> Dave Longley: nope
> 
> Topic: Web Payments Workshop
> 
> Manu Sporny: Ok, so I had a number of discussions with Dave
>   Raggett, who has been assigned by W3C to make the Workshop in
>   Paris happen.
> Manu Sporny: He's pretty thinly spread at the moment, so we need
>   to help him if we don't want to risk the workshop slipping more
>   than it has already.
> Manu Sporny: This means getting two chairs for the workshop as
>   well as a program committee together.
> Manu Sporny: We have already secured the primary chair for the
>   workshop as of this past Tuesday. He just needs to get clearance
>   from his company's management and we'll be able to announce who
>   he is shortly.
> Manu Sporny: We have contacted two other organizations to send a
>   chair and someone for the program committee.
> Manu Sporny: We should hear something back by the end of this
>   week.
> Manu Sporny: The chairs are responsible for ensuring that the
>   agenda runs smoothly for the workshop during the 1.5 days of the
>   workshop.
> Manu Sporny: The program committee is responsible for reviewing
>   paper submissions and getting their colleagues at other
>   institutions to attend the workshop.
> Manu Sporny: It's very important to strike the right balance when
>   it comes to program committee participants. We need people from
>   each segment of industry that we've identified - electronics,
>   payment processors, mobile operators, television, security, and
>   retail.
> Manu Sporny: We will need around 15-20 people on the program
>   committee.
> Manu Sporny: and we need to have that done by the end of this
>   month (November 2013). We already have 7 people on the program
>   committee. We'll need to get the rest in place by end of November
>   and we'll need to send out the Call for Papers/Positions by early
>   December.
> Manu Sporny: The reason we're in a rush is that we need to
>   provide at least two months for people to get papers together.
> Manu Sporny: and with the holidays fast approaching, those weeks
>   aren't going to be enough for people to write papers, arrange
>   travel, and invite colleagues.
> Manu Sporny: We have a space for 100 people max. We need to get
>   at least 30-50 to demonstrate any sort of legitimacy wrt.
>   creating a Working Group at W3C.
> Manu Sporny: That we were able to get so many people into a
>   breakout session is a good sign, now we need to build on that
>   momentum.
> Manu Sporny: Any questions on any of this?
> Dave Longley: not from me
> 
> Topic: The Rest of W3C TPAC
> 
> Manu Sporny: For the next two days, I'll be meeting w/ the rest
>   of the Working Groups that are affected by our work, or whose
>   work we'll depend on. These include the Near-Field Communication
>   Working Group, the Web Crypto Working Group, and the Web and
>   Mobile Interest Group.
> Manu Sporny: There are also around 10 other people that have
>   requested private meetings or hallway discussions related to Web
>   Payments and how it affects their organizations.
> Manu Sporny: So, I'll also be talking with those folks in an
>   attempt to get them folded into the group.
> Manu Sporny: Alright, that's all I have as far as an update is
>   concerned. I probably missed a few discussions, but the general
>   take-away is that people are responding very well to the goals of
>   this group and how we're approaching the problem.
> Manu Sporny: Any questions? If not, let's adjourn.
> Dave Longley: nope
> Manu Sporny: ok, good 'cause it's 1am here and I want to go to
>   sleep :P
> Dave Longley: :)
> David I. Lehn: too busy scribing to have questions :)
> Manu Sporny: no doubt.
> Manu Sporny: bye bye, see you guys in 5-ish days!
> Dave Longley: yes, looking forward to it
> David I. Lehn: As you are talking to all these people, might want
>   to ask how they want to participate.  Showing up to these sorts
>   of telecons doesn't seem to be what they want to do.  Should more
>   stuff be done on the mailing list?

To this point ^ I just wanted to say that these detailed minutes are really helpful! Thanks.

> Manu Sporny: It's a bit early to ask them  how they want to
>   participate... they're just trying to get their mind wrapped
>   around the stuff we're doing.
> Manu Sporny: I did meet Mountie Lee and Anders Rudgren in person
>   here.
> Manu Sporny: Both said that they'd like to participate in more
>   telecons.
> David I. Lehn: Ok.  It's understandable if it's difficult to show
>   up to these things.  I was just wondering what other
>   communication methods we could use.
> Manu Sporny: We're using the standard methods that most other
>   groups use.
> Manu Sporny: The problem at this point seems to be one of: 1)
>   people don't know we exist and 2) when they do find out about us,
>   they don't know if it affects them, and 3) if it does affect
>   them, they don't know what they can contribute to.
>

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