- From: Brent Shambaugh <brent.shambaugh@gmail.com>
- Date: Fri, 18 Jan 2013 15:30:15 -0600
- To: Manu Sporny <msporny@digitalbazaar.com>
- Cc: Steven Rowat <steven_rowat@sunshine.net>, public-webpayments@w3.org
- Message-ID: <CACvcBVpq8ATMf5PrinKcq63gSr+HTc-aA7Uxh1tJ+8rBVjD09w@mail.gmail.com>
" Mathematicians aim to take publishers out of publishing http://www.nature.com/news/mathematicians-aim-to-take-publishers-out-of-publishing-1.12243" "Many mathematicians — and researchers in other fields — claim that they already do most of the work involved in publishing their research. At no cost, they type up and format their own papers, post them to online servers, join journal editorial boards and review the work of their peers. By creating journals that publish links to peer-reviewed work on servers such as arXiv, Demailly says, the community could run its own publishing system." On Fri, Jan 18, 2013 at 3:13 PM, Brent Shambaugh <brent.shambaugh@gmail.com>wrote: > John Wilbanks is another name I ran accross when looking at the > p2pfoundation site. > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Wilbanks > > > On Fri, Jan 18, 2013 at 1:54 PM, Brent Shambaugh < > brent.shambaugh@gmail.com> wrote: > >> I just downloaded most of the payswarm documentation. I'm ready to get >> reading :). >> >> Steven's story suggests that greatness comes from passionately pursuing >> something. I think we would all be better off if this was possible for more >> people. >> >> -Brent >> >> >> On Fri, Jan 18, 2013 at 1:45 PM, Brent Shambaugh < >> brent.shambaugh@gmail.com> wrote: >> >>> Reference 13 refers to the Berlin Open Access Conference < >>> http://berlin10.org/about.html>. >>> >>> >>> On Fri, Jan 18, 2013 at 1:28 PM, Brent Shambaugh < >>> brent.shambaugh@gmail.com> wrote: >>> >>>> Manu Sporny, >>>> >>>> Here is my take. I believe that creating a decentralized, peer-reviewed >>>> academic journal system could be a good idea, but only if access is >>>> carefully thought out. >>>> It could be a boon to citizen scientists and the developing world since >>>> they generally prefer open access, but doing so would require low cost. I >>>> believe that a system >>>> should allow payment now or later and donations now and later. Payment >>>> could occur after a certain period of time, or after a certain event such >>>> as revenue from >>>> a project. >>>> >>>> Only designing for payment could be a tricky thing. A situation as >>>> described in Richard A. Stallman's right to read <1> could evolve. Access >>>> to literature >>>> could become even more limited than it is today. Some, such as Eben >>>> Moglen, seem to favor support from those with the ability <2>. However, >>>> regardless >>>> what happens I believe people would try to subvert it. Sometimes the >>>> results could be hard to interpret <3>. I do believe that people who have >>>> the >>>> ability would want to help out, maybe even more so if they are given >>>> the freedom to choose. >>>> >>>> I'm not certain if people will use it. I know the economy is in a slump >>>> <4>, public universities are financially challenged <5>, highly educated >>>> people are unemployed <6>, women >>>> are increasingly getting PhDs <7> but are facing challenges <8> <9>, >>>> and young academics <10> <11>, biohackers <12>, and those in the developing >>>> world are looking for solutions <13>. >>>> Some say that collaboration online is creating a new economic form <14> >>>> and may replace institutions <15>. Innovation may largely also come from >>>> the outside, in the case of manufacturers <16>. >>>> Similar technologies have been around for awhile though <17>, and >>>> innovation may be a geographic thing <18>. The web seems to be widely >>>> adopted, why? >>>> >>>> For me personally, access to journal articles and books has helped a >>>> lot. I had a bit of an obsession for almost everything in graduate school, >>>> and I felt I had a clear advantage over those who were less privileged. >>>> Learning about practically anything I was interested in, and comparing >>>> various resources was amazing. How much are books and countless journal >>>> articles worth anyway? >>>> >>>> -Brent >>>> >>>> >>>> <1> Richard M. Stallman, The Right to Read. >>>> https://www.gnu.org/philosophy/right-to-read >>>> <2> Eben Moglen on Facebook, Google and Government Surveillance >>>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HJCczbSF-B8 Jun. 1, 2012 >>>> <3> Canadian Study: Piracy Boosts CD Sales. >>>> http://torrentfreak.com/piracy-boosts-cd-sales-071103/ Nov. 3, 2007 >>>> <4> Stoller, Matt. Modern American Economic History in a Few Charts. >>>> http://www.nakedcapitalism.com/2012/10/modern-american-economic-history-in-a-few-charts.html, >>>> Oct. 13, 2012 >>>> <5> Public Universities In Peril. >>>> http://cen.acs.org/articles/90/i27/Public-Universities-Peril.html, >>>> Jul. 12, 2012 >>>> <6> Barely Hanging On. >>>> http://cen.acs.org/articles/90/i45/Barely-Hanging.html Nov. 5, 2012 >>>> <7> For the first time, more women than men earn PhD. >>>> http://usatoday30.usatoday.com/news/education/2010-09-15-womenphd14_st_N.htmSept. 14, 2010 >>>> <8> Women Dropping Out of Science Careers. >>>> http://abcnews.go.com/Technology/story?id=5227334&page=1 June 24, 2008 >>>> <9> Being Married Helps Professors Get Ahead, but Only if They're Male. >>>> >>>> http://www.theatlantic.com/sexes/archive/2013/01/being-married-helps-professors-get-ahead-but-only-if-theyre-male/267289/Jan. 17, 2013 >>>> <10> Young Researchers in Europe Launch Lobby Group. >>>> http://cen.acs.org/articles/90/web/2012/12/Young-Researchers-Europe-Launch-Lobby.htmlDec. 27, 2012 >>>> <11> Ethan Perlstien. >>>> http://cen.acs.org/articles/90/i49/Ethan-Perlstein.html Dec. 3, 2012 >>>> <12> A Biopunk Manifesto - Meridith Patterson. >>>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Thn7d7-jywU Jan. 10, 2011 >>>> <13> Scaling Up Science in South Africa. >>>> http://cen.acs.org/articles/90/i51/Scaling-Science-South-Africa.htmlDec. 17. 2012 >>>> <14> Howard Rhiengold: Way-new collaboration. >>>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d5s3Z0iesRM Feb. 12. 2008 >>>> <15> Clay Shirky: Institutions vs. collaboration >>>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sPQViNNOAkw Jul. 14, 2008 >>>> <16> Eric Von Hippel. Democratizing Innovation. >>>> http://web.mit.edu/evhippel/www/democ1.htm 2005 >>>> <17> Parsaye, Kamran. Intelligent Databases: Object-Oriented, Deductive >>>> Hypermedia Technologies, Wiley, New York, 1989 >>>> <18> How the Crash Will Reshape America. >>>> http://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2009/03/how-the-crash-will-reshape-america/307293/6/Mar. 2009 >>>> >>>> >>>> On Fri, Jan 18, 2013 at 12:21 PM, Manu Sporny < >>>> msporny@digitalbazaar.com> wrote: >>>> >>>>> On 01/14/2013 03:58 PM, Steven Rowat wrote: >>>>> > If, as you say Manu, PaySwarm already has this available in its core >>>>> > architecture, then I think the time is right to start it. >>>>> >>>>> More food for thought: >>>>> >>>>> Mathematicians aim to take publishers out of publishing >>>>> >>>>> http://www.nature.com/news/mathematicians-aim-to-take-publishers-out-of-publishing-1.12243 >>>>> >>>>> I've sent an e-mail to Jean-Pierre Demailly, just to reach out and >>>>> offer >>>>> our help. >>>>> >>>>> -- manu >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> Manu Sporny (skype: msporny, twitter: manusporny, G+: +Manu Sporny) >>>>> President/CEO - Digital Bazaar, Inc. >>>>> blog: Aaron Swartz, PaySwarm, and Academic Journals >>>>> http://manu.sporny.org/2013/payswarm-journals/ >>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>> >> >
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