Re: FW: Call for Consensus to Request Member Review of Commerce IG Charter - Please Respond by 19 June

> I’m not sure anything is improved by being more explicit in the charter.
+1 !

@Ian, I agree with the wording you propose
Thanks

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2017-06-20 16:27 GMT+02:00 David Ezell <David_E3@verifone.com>:

> I agree with the relevance in terms of work.
>
>
>
> But I’m not sure anything is improved by being more explicit in the
> charter.  Actual targets for investigation should (IMO) be decided by the
> group.  Putting more stuff in the charter for review doesn’t really add
> much clarity, and possibly adds additional work at the rechartering stage
> that isn’t all that helpful.
>
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>
> Best regards,
>
> David
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> *From:* Joseph Potvin [mailto:jpotvin@opman.ca]
> *Sent:* Tuesday, June 20, 2017 10:18 AM
> *To:* David Ezell
> *Cc:* KETELS Kris; Jean-Yves Rossi; Katie Haritos-Shea; Kenneth Mealey;
> Web Payments IG; Dapeng Liu (Max) (max.ldp@alibaba-inc.com); Ian Jacobs (
> ij@w3.org)
>
> *Subject:* Re: FW: Call for Consensus to Request Member Review of
> Commerce IG Charter - Please Respond by 19 June
>
>
>
> There was quite a comprehensive list of other standards put together early
> in the W3C Web Payments work, and probably most of it is relevant here.
>
> For a "Commerce IG" it seems to me that ISO 20022 for financial messaging
> is adjacent, not directly involved. If the the charter should mention just
> an example or two, ISO 19845 is more directly in the commerce sphere.
> (I'm not playing 'favourites' -- in own work those two are equally
> important.)
>
>
> Joseph Potvin
> Executive Director, Xalgorithms Foundation
> Mobile: 819-593-5983
> jpotvin@xalgorithms.org
> https://www.xalgorithms.org
>
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> On Tue, Jun 20, 2017 at 10:01 AM, David Ezell <David_E3@verifone.com>
> wrote:
>
> I would caution that since the line say’s “e.g.” it’s very open to all the
> standards mentioned below, as well as others that may be as important, but
> we don’t have them on the list.  The more standards mentioned in the list,
> the more precise it seems, and that’s not accurate.
>
>
>
> *From:* KETELS Kris [mailto:Kris.KETELS@swift.com]
> *Sent:* Tuesday, June 20, 2017 9:11 AM
> *To:* Joseph Potvin; Jean-Yves Rossi
> *Cc:* Katie Haritos-Shea; Kenneth Mealey; David Ezell; Web Payments IG;
> Dapeng Liu (Max) (max.ldp@alibaba-inc.com); Ian Jacobs (ij@w3.org)
> *Subject:* RE: FW: Call for Consensus to Request Member Review of
> Commerce IG Charter - Please Respond by 19 June
>
>
>
> Hi,
>
>
>
> There are quite a few financial (and other)  standards around. Will you be
> the liaison for the standards you mention?
>
>
>
> Kind regards
>
> Kris
>
>
>
> *From:* Joseph Potvin [mailto:jpotvin@opman.ca <jpotvin@opman.ca>]
> *Sent:* Monday, June 19, 2017 11:06 AM
> *To:* Jean-Yves Rossi
> *Cc:* Katie Haritos-Shea; Kenneth Mealey; David Ezell; Web Payments IG;
> Dapeng Liu (Max) (max.ldp@alibaba-inc.com); Ian Jacobs (ij@w3.org)
> *Subject:* Re: FW: Call for Consensus to Request Member Review of
> Commerce IG Charter - Please Respond by 19 June
>
>
>
> RE: Harmonization with other standards (e.g., ISO 20022)
>
>
>
> I suggest:
>
>
> Harmonization with other standards (e.g., ISO 19845, ISO 20022, UNICITRAL
> WG IV)
>
>
> Joseph Potvin
> Executive Director, Xalgorithms Foundation
> Mobile: 819-593-5983
> jpotvin@xalgorithms.org
> https://www.xalgorithms.org
>
>
>
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>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Ian Jacobs [mailto:ij@w3.org]
> Sent: Monday, June 12, 2017 10:08 AM
> To: Web Payments IG <public-webpayments-ig@w3.org>
> Subject: Call for Consensus to Request Member Review of Commerce IG
> Charter - Please Respond by 19 June
>
> Dear Web Payments Interest Group Participants,
>
> The charter of the Web Payments Interest Group [1] expires 30 September
> 2017.
> Since the March face-to-face meeting [2], we have been developing a new
> charter with an expanded scope.
>
> This is a Call for Consensus to determine whether the Interest Group
> supports the W3C Director requesting Membership review [3] of:
>
>    Commerce Interest Group Charter
>    https://www.w3.org/2017/03/commerce-charter.html
>
> PLEASE RESPOND to the proposal by 9am ET on 19 June.
>
> For the co-Chairs,
> Ian Jacobs
>
> [1] https://www.w3.org/2014/04/payments/webpayments_charter.html
> [2] https://www.w3.org/2017/03/22-wpay-minutes#item08
> [3] https://www.w3.org/2017/Process-20170301/#CharterReview
>
> =========
> PROPOSAL: That the Web Payments Interest Group request that the W3C
> Director
>                       propose the above charter to the W3C Membership.
>
> Please indicate one of the following in your response:
>
> 1. Support the proposal.
>
> 2. Request some changes, but support the proposal even
>    if suggested changes are not taken into account.
>
> 3. Request some changes, and do not support the proposal
>    unless the changes are taken into account.
>
> 4. Do not support the proposal (please provide rationale).
>
> 5. Support the consensus of the Web Payments Interest Group.
>
> 6. Abstain.
>
> We invite you to include rationale in your response.
>
> If there is strong consensus by 19 June (9am ET) for the proposal, it will
> carry.
>
> If there are objections or proposals for substantive changes we will try
> to resolve them and start a new Call for Consensus.
>
> ====================
> Regarding Formal Objections
>
> * If you do not support the charter and you wish your lack of support  to
> be communicated to the W3C Director and reviewed, please include  the
> phrase "FORMAL OBJECTION” [4] in your response. Be sure to  include
> substantive arguments or rationale.
>
> * Silence will be taken to mean there is no Formal Objection [4].
>
> * If there are Formal Objections, the Chairs plan to contact the
>  individual(s) who made them to see whether there are changes that  would
> address the concern and increase consensus to advance the  charter.
>
> [4] https://www.w3.org/2017/Process-20170301/#Consensus
>
> ============================
> Next steps if the Proposal carries
>
> If the proposal carries, the W3C Management Team will review and complete
> the draft charter (e.g., by adding information about chairs and team
> contacts and charter end date).
>
> If the W3C Management Team approves the charter, they will initiate a
> 4-week review by the W3C Membership.
>
> Our goal is to launch the Commerce IG by mid-September and to hold a
> Face-to-Face meeting during TPAC 2017. (This would take the place of the
> Web Payments IG Face-to-Face meeting.)
>
> For more about chartering operations, see:
>  https://www.w3.org/Guide/Charter.html
>
> --
> Ian Jacobs <ij@w3.org>
> https://www.w3.org/People/Jacobs/
> Tel: +1 718 260 9447
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