Re: Support for Verifiable Claims

On 10/26/16 4:40 PM, Tantek Çelik wrote:
> I want a verified pony as much as the next person, but at some point
> the framing starts to look more like a solution looking for problems
...> Tantek Çelik
> AB member
> Web Standards Lead, Mozilla

You've used the passive voice in '...starts to look more like...', but 
I think you mean "the framing starts to look [to me] more like a 
solution looking for problems"....

And, your perception of what is a problem (and what isn't) is colored 
by your own specific position relative to the web (and society as a 
whole), necessarily. For example, by your signature line, I'd 
speculate that, at least in part, that position will be the position 
of Mozilla.

And so is my perception colored by my own position. I'm not in 
Mozilla. So we're likely to identify different problems. And so with a 
lot of other people, in other points of view.

The Use Cases document has evolved, first from the Web Payments group, 
over a period of perhaps ten years, maybe longer. 
https://w3c.github.io/webpayments-ig/VCTF/use-cases/ . Many people 
have contributed. It currently holds 25 specific examples split into 
Finance, Education, Healthcare, Retail, Professional Credentials, and 
Legal Identity. There could be many more, but that could overwhelm 
prospective readers of the document. These illustrate the breadth of 
what is being attempted, and give a series of real-world stories to it.

I'm personally only strongly interested in two or three of those 
cases, in the sense that they would make the work that I do easier. 
For the rest, I can see that most of the rest would be good to have 
for society; and I suppose somebody must feel strongly about them or 
they wouldn't have made it. I've watched them being added by various 
people from various life-roles that I know little or nothing about. 
I'm willing to accept that these people have their reasons. And I'll 
stay involved, as long as the ones I'm interested in are still 
accepted as valid goals.

I agree about your example of the Web of Things and the current attack 
problem. That could be included as a use case, in my opinion, and an 
interesting one.

But that doesn't make the other 25 cases any less important; it just 
adds to them.

Steven Rowat









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> [1] I.e. I assume y'all have seen:
> https://krebsonsecurity.com/2016/10/hacked-cameras-dvrs-powered-todays-massive-internet-outage/
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> On Mon, Oct 24, 2016 at 1:35 AM, Rinke Hoekstra <rinke.hoekstra@vu.nl> wrote:
>> Dear All,
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>> The Vrije Universiteit Amsterdam also supports the Verifiable Claims WG Charter, and is looking forward to contributing.
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>> Best regards,
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>> Rinke Hoekstra
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>>> On 21 Oct 2016, at 20:20, j.j.spaanderman@dnb.nl wrote:
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>>> +1 to the Verifiable Claims WG charter on behalf of DNB.
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>>> Best regards,
>>> Jurgen
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>>> Van: Hakkinen, Mark T
>>> Verzonden: vrijdag 21 oktober 2016 20:08
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>>> Onderwerp: RE: Support for Verifiable Claims
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>>> +1 to the  verifiable claims working group charter http://w3c.github.io/webpayments-ig/VCTF/charter/
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