Re: TPAC Plenary Wednesday - rww/ldp & webid

On 22 September 2012 17:24, Kingsley Idehen <kidehen@openlinksw.com> wrote:

> On 9/22/12 2:57 AM, Henry Story wrote:
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>> On 21 Sep 2012, at 18:36, Kingsley Idehen <kidehen@openlinksw.com> wrote:
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>>  On 9/21/12 9:54 AM, Henry Story wrote:
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>>>> On 21 Sep 2012, at 15:42, Kingsley Idehen <kidehen@openlinksw.com>
>>>> wrote:
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>>>>  On 9/21/12 5:09 AM, Henry Story wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> 2. Hands on using tools the community has built
>>>>>>    * Make a WebID profile and certificate
>>>>>>    * build a group of all members present
>>>>>>    * give access to members of the group to some resources, Give
>>>>>> access to friends of members of the group to others, etc...
>>>>>>
>>>>> Shouldn't we make this an interop level 0 item for the RWW community?
>>>>>
>>>> What do you mean? (I mean how do we make this an interop level 0 item?)
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>>> I am referring to something like SWAT0 [1][2]. A variant that focuses on
>>> the functionality listed above which is a good baseline.
>>>
>> yes good idea. We should try to see if we can get the SWAT tests working.
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> How about just making RWW-0 and then simply have it cover:
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> 1. Making a cert
> 2. Authenticating via WebID
> 2. Authorize access to a Resource via a WebID based ACL .
>
> Simple as that.


+1 but we also need a way to make this go viral ...


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>>  It is true that we need to work on interoperability at this level. At
>>>> present I think we'll probably find different platforms do things
>>>> differently... But if we could demo it on even one server, then we can
>>>> bring up the interop issue...
>>>>
>>> Demo on one server? We are dealing with the Web aren't we? There should
>>> be many interoperable servers that collectively make the point. As I keep
>>> on trying to tell you, this isn't solely about UI and/or UX. It's a
>>> composite of the aforementioned, combined with standards compliance etc..
>>>
>> I am not saying this thing should work on one server. Just that if we
>> have not reached interoperability completely by the time of TPAC, we can
>> use TPAC to give us an aim of having software that should be interoperable,
>> test it in there in an interoperability session,  discuss the issues, and
>> come up with conventions [1] so that we then do become interoperable.
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> There are more than enough servers in place for what I described as RWW-0
> above.
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>> Of course interoperability is the goal. But we may not have achieved it
>> at the access control level yet by TPAC. That in part what the get together
>> is for. (As well as introducing new people to what we are doing.
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> How have you arrived at this conclusion? Have you asked members of this
> forum about the statues of their products re. RWW-0 interop?
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> Kingsley
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>>     Henry
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>> [1] http://www.amazon.com/**Convention-Philosophical-**
>> Study-David-Lewis/dp/**0631232575<http://www.amazon.com/Convention-Philosophical-Study-David-Lewis/dp/0631232575>
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>>> Links:
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>>> 1. http://bit.ly/NGY6Ag - SWAT0
>>> 2. http://bit.ly/R5rj7Q -- SWAT0 Results
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>>>
>>> Kingsley
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