Re: Gutenberg and www

Dear All,

We may say about a human society and there is what-may-called a
technological context of human species...

Rendering to the message "The Internet Web: (Would be) Stories on
Evolution..." at public-webhistory@w3c.org:


https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-webhistory/2019Apr/0011.html


Regard,
Guntur Wiseno Putra

Pada Minggu, 31 Maret 2019, Guntur Wiseno Putra <gsenopu@gmail.com> menulis:

> Dear All,
>
> As it is related with Gutenberg and  paper-based book, the questions on
> the future of the web were ever arised by Steven Pemberton:
>
> So what are you doing for the year 2500?
>
> The web is now over 20 years old, but still in its infancy.
>
> Books printed 100 years ago are still readable, and available in many
> cases.
>
> Will we still be able to read and access websites made today in 100 years
> time? Or will all our content be lost to future ages?
>
> What is needed to make the web age-tolerant?
>
> What do we want from the web in both the short and long term?
>
> Be quoted from "What Do We Want from the Web"? (2014)
>
> https://homepages.cwi.nl/~steven/Talks/2014/11-05-what-do-we-want/
>
>
> Regard,
> Guntur Wiseno Putra
>
> Pada Sabtu, 30 Maret 2019, Guntur Wiseno Putra <gsenopu@gmail.com>
> menulis:
>
>>
>> Dear All,
>>
>> To add what I said earlier:
>>
>> We may link Steven Pemberton's analysis on the Moore's Law to what he
>> said earlier about the condition of technology dropping in price to be
>> usable on a large scale (in "Hot Links and Cool Sites...", 1995)
>>
>>
>> Regard,
>> Guntur Wiseno Putra
>>
>> Pada Sabtu, 30 Maret 2019, Guntur Wiseno Putra <gsenopu@gmail.com>
>> menulis:
>>
>>> Dear All,
>>>
>>> There is a consideration on the computer economy restricted an
>>> orientation towards storing files into computer as Licklider noticed (1960).
>>>
>>> Meanwhile it is an analysis based on Moore"s Laws which made Steven
>>> Pemberton rised such an enthusiasm toward electronic publication --and the
>>> internet of things in general. He said about the possibility of optimizing
>>> choices based on the analysis which are about computers having been getting
>>> smaller, cheaper and more powerfull at the same time.
>>>
>>> The analysis may be found, amonv others, at:
>>> "XML Interface toward the Internet of Things" (2015)
>>> https://homepages.cwi.nl/~steven/Talks/2015/06-07-iot/
>>>
>>> Regard,
>>> Guntur Wiseno Putra
>>>
>>> Pada Jumat, 29 Maret 2019, Guntur Wiseno Putra <gsenopu@gmail.com>
>>> menulis:
>>>
>>>> Dear All,
>>>>
>>>> An enthusiasm of electronic publication in relation with paper-based
>>>> publication...
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> "Hot Links and Cool Sites: How Do You Make an Electronic Journal
>>>> Readable"? especially on "electronic publication" by Steven Pamberton
>>>> (1995):
>>>>
>>>> "Common complaints about electronic publications include that they are
>>>> not as readable as paper publications (and there is research to back this
>>>> up, for instance [4]
>>>> <https://homepages.cwi.nl/~steven/sigchi/elec-pub/#REF25181>, [8]
>>>> <https://homepages.cwi.nl/~steven/sigchi/elec-pub/#REF26766>), that
>>>> they don't feel so nice to use, and that you can't take them with you to
>>>> read in the train [7]
>>>> <https://homepages.cwi.nl/~steven/sigchi/elec-pub/#REF29218>.
>>>>
>>>> Some of these complaints will disappear soon enough, and are only a
>>>> function of technical constraints..."
>>>>
>>>> https://homepages.cwi.nl/~steven/sigchi/elec-pub/
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Another source which is a proceeding titled "Electronic Publishing" as
>>>> part of a workshop at the 1st International WWW Conference 1994 by Steven
>>>> Pemberton:
>>>>
>>>> https://homepages.cwi.nl/~steven/elecpub.htm
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> --I ever sent it to this mailing in a message titled "Electronic
>>>> Publishing and the Web-related activities":
>>>>
>>>> https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-webhistory/2019M
>>>> ar/0015.html
>>>> <https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-webhistory/2019Mar/0015.htmlRegard>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Regard
>>>> Guntur Wiseno Putra
>>>>
>>>> Pada Kamis, 28 Maret 2019, Guntur Wiseno Putra <gsenopu@gmail.com>
>>>> menulis:
>>>>
>>>>> Dear All,
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> The web address for "The Computer as a Device" is same with that of
>>>>> "Man-Computer Symbiosis"
>>>>>
>>>>> http://memex.org/licklider.pdf
>>>>>
>>>>> The link is suggested by W3C 10th anniversary's "How It All Started:
>>>>> Pre-W3C Web and Internet Background: 1960 J.C.R. Licklider "Man Computer
>>>>> Symbiosis"
>>>>>
>>>>> https://www.w3.org/2004/Talks/w3c10-HowItAllStarted/?n=3
>>>>>
>>>>> Regard,
>>>>> Guntur Wiseno Putra
>>>>>
>>>>> Pada Kamis, 28 Maret 2019, Guntur Wiseno Putra <gsenopu@gmail.com>
>>>>> menulis:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Dear All,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> It is said the computer, book, and communication:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> "But to communicate is more than to send and to receive. Do two tape
>>>>>> recorders communicate when they play to each other and record from
>>>>>> each
>>>>>> other? Not really-not in our sense. We believe that communicators have
>>>>>> to do something nontrivial with the information they send and
>>>>>> receive. And
>>>>>> we believe that we are entering a technological age in which we will
>>>>>> be able
>>>>>> to interact with the richness of living information—not merely in the
>>>>>> passive
>>>>>> way that we have become accustomed to using books and libraries, but
>>>>>> as
>>>>>> active participants in an ongoing process, bringing something to it
>>>>>> through
>>>>>> our interaction with it, and not simply receiving something from it
>>>>>> by our
>>>>>> connection to it.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> ...
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Such a medium is at hand—the programmed digital computer. Its pres-
>>>>>> ence can change the nature and value of communication even more pro-
>>>>>> foundly than did the printing press and the picture tube, for, as we
>>>>>> shall
>>>>>> show, a well-programmed computer can provide direct access both to
>>>>>> infor-
>>>>>> mational resources and to the processes for making use of the
>>>>>> resource",
>>>>>>
>>>>>> (Licklider, J.C.R. and R. W. Taylor, "The Computer as  a
>>>>>> Communication Devices, 1968, republished by System Research Center 1990 p.
>>>>>> 21-22)
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Regard,
>>>>>> Guntur Wiseno Putra
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Pada Kamis, 28 Maret 2019, Guntur Wiseno Putra <gsenopu@gmail.com>
>>>>>> menulis:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Dear All,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> It is from Licklider's consideration on "Ma-Computer Symbiosis"
>>>>>>> (1960) especially on "Memory Hardware Requirements": "books"...
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> "The first thing to face is that we shall not store all the
>>>>>>> technical and
>>>>>>> scientific papers in computer memory. We may store the parts that can
>>>>>>> be summarized most succinctly—the quantitative parts and the
>>>>>>> reference
>>>>>>> citations—but not the whole. Books are among the most beautifully en-
>>>>>>> gineered, and human-engineered, components in existence, and they
>>>>>>> will
>>>>>>> continue to be functionally important within the context of
>>>>>>> man-computer
>>>>>>> symbiosis. (Hopefully, the computer will expedite the finding,
>>>>>>> delivering,
>>>>>>> and returning of books.)"
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> http://memex.org/licklider.pdf
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> If the books meant by Licklider are records as we find them out now
>>>>>>> as paper-printed and electronical ones...?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Regard,
>>>>>>> Guntur Wiseno Putra
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Pada Jumat, 22 Maret 2019, Guntur Wiseno Putra <gsenopu@gmail.com>
>>>>>>> menulis:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Dear All,
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I finded it as one related closely as we may say about "the
>>>>>>>> Internet Web": "Gutenberg and the Internet"
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Book 1450
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> [image: Printing in 1568]
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Gutenberg combined known technologies: ink, paper, wine presses,
>>>>>>>> movable type.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> 1990 The Web
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Tim Berners-Lee (and Robert Caillau) created the Web at CERN.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Like Gutenberg with the printing press, they brought together
>>>>>>>> existing technologies (Hypertext, the internet, MIME types) and created a
>>>>>>>> cohesive whole.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> The Web is now replacing the book (along with many other things).
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Telephone directories, encyclopaedias, train timetables, other
>>>>>>>> reference works are already gone. Others will follow.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Books (as an artefact) will become a niche market. All information
>>>>>>>> will be internet-based.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> https://homepages.cwi.nl/~steven/Talks/2018/12-01-mediaart/
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Regard,
>>>>>>>> Guntur Wiseno Putra
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>