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Re: Positioning document for web ed learning material

From: Chris Mills <cmills@opera.com>
Date: Tue, 6 Mar 2012 13:32:43 +0000
Cc: public-webed@w3.org
Message-Id: <D8D55412-1CC0-4986-B647-381187CA6A7D@opera.com>
To: Lars Gunther <gunther@keryx.se>
agreed - thanks Lars. I think the way the HTML/CSS stuff is presented will allow us to keep the concepts consistent, even if the exact syntax changes a bit over the years. Although as you say, that will remain constant too.

Chris Mills
Open standards evangelist and dev.opera.com editor, Opera Software
Co-chair, web education community group, W3C

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On 6 Mar 2012, at 11:13, Lars Gunther wrote:

> Just a quick, OTOH.
> 
> While new technologies are being developed for the web at a faster pace then ever, we have a really solid core of HTML and CSS.
> 
> The foundations have been set in stone and we can now guarantee that they will not change over the next decade. That we could not promise 10 years ago.
> 
> E.g. there is precious little in this article
> 
> https://developer.mozilla.org/en/HTML/Intro
> 
> that I would suspect needs to be re-written 10 years from now.
> 
> Thus it's a matter of knowing what *kind* of information one is presenting.
> 
> 
> 
> 2012-03-05 23:10, Chris Mills skrev:
>> Thanks all for such great feedback. I'll get my teeth into this tomorrow
>> and make some updates.
>> 
>> Chris Mills
>> Open standards evangelist and dev.opera.com <http://dev.opera.com>
>> editor, Opera Software
>> Co-chair, web education community group, W3C
>> 
>> * Try Opera: http://www.opera.com
>> * Learn about the latest open standards technologies and techniques:
>> http://dev.opera.com
>> * Contribute to web education: http://www.w3.org/community/webed/
>> 
>> On 5 Mar 2012, at 22:05, Adrian Roselli wrote:
>> 
>>> “Freshness dating.” Kind of like milk. Or cheese (the kind of cheese
>>> that you don’t want to let age).
>>> I like that. If it’s prominent, and doesn’t appear bloggy, then I
>>> think that can at least qualify all the content throughout whatever we
>>> build. As a surfer, I always check for a date on anything that might
>>> change over time (news, specifications, product availability, cat
>>> pictures), so these feeds into my expectations well.
>>> *From:*Åke Järvklo [mailto:ake@jarvklo.se]
>>> *Sent:*Monday, March 05, 2012 5:01 PM
>>> *To:*Adrian Roselli
>>> *Cc:*Chris Mills; W3C WebEd Public
>>> *Subject:*Re: Positioning document for web ed learning material
>>> 
>>> Hmm...
>>> 
>>> IMHO The "keeping current"-problem will over time probably not only
>>> apply to external examples and links - it will most likely become
>>> equally relevant for our own excersises, our original content (and our
>>> translations) sooner or later...
>>> 
>>> So - perhaps having procedures in place for (very visibly) assuring
>>> visitors that *we* keep our material current would also be a good thing...
>>> 
>>> Imagine a "quality assurance stamp" on all published material stating
>>> "reviewed and updated at {date}" - or "this is a translation, the
>>> original text was revised {date} and the translation was updated to
>>> reflect that at {date}"
>>> 
>>> ... or something similar (eg. "this is the translation of version 17
>>> of the FED-100 excersise7.1.2Assignment 1: Class Homepage")
>>> 
>>> With that in place - wouldn't revising external examples while we
>>> regurarily revise the material itself anyway be greatly simplified as
>>> well?
>>> 
>>> ... just a thought :)
>>> /Åke J
>>> 
>>> 2012/3/3 Adrian Roselli <Roselli@algonquinstudios.com
>>> <mailto:Roselli@algonquinstudios.com>>
>>> *Any* thoughts?
>>> 
>>> When I interact with professors they (nearly) always ask about how to
>>> stay current. Many don't know what resources to visit for current
>>> trends and to see how things are evolving. I suspect we all know how
>>> radically different many web dev aspects can be in any 6 month window.
>>> 
>>> You may have considered this in your "reading lists" bullet, but I am
>>> wary of the can of worms recommending specific blogs/sites can open.
>>> I, for one, rail against any reference to W3 Schools. While I used to
>>> recommendevolt.org <http://evolt.org>, I think we all know its time
>>> has passed.
>>> 
>>> Is it too early to identify a set of parameters for suggesting
>>> ongoing, day-to-day online resources?
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Sent from my tablet and probably full of typos as a result.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On Mar 2, 2012, at 1:04 PM, "Chris Mills" <cmills@opera.com
>>> <mailto:cmills@opera.com>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> > Some thoughts I have put together over the course of today, detailing
>>> how our learning material might fit in with educators and students
>>> involved in web ed courses, and next things I am going to do.
>>> >
>>> >http://www.w3.org/community/webed/wiki/Positioning_document_for_web_ed_learning_material
>>> >
>>> > any thoughts appreciated
>>> >
>>> > Chris Mills
>>> > Open standards evangelist anddev.opera.com
>>> <http://dev.opera.com>editor, Opera Software
>>> > Co-chair, web education community group, W3C
>>> >
>>> > * Try Opera:http://www.opera.com
>>> > * Learn about the latest open standards technologies and
>>> techniques:http://dev.opera.com
>>> > * Contribute to web education:http://www.w3.org/community/webed/
>>> >
>>> >
>>> 
>> 
> 
> 
> -- 
> Lars Gunther
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