Re: 4D has joined the Web Education Community Group

Hi Alexandre,

Welcome to the group - it is great to have you!

In terms of what you can do, we will soon be creating a whole load of JS material, whihc we could use your expert review on. Outreach will follow when the material is a bit more established (we need to move it all to the final publishing platform, when it is ready.)

WRT official certifications, we have not given that much thought yet. getting good material published and doing outreach is more important, in our minds, in the short term. But I'd love to consider some kind of certification plan too, later on.

Best,

Chris Mills
Open standards evangelist and dev.opera.com editor, Opera Software
Co-chair, web education community group, W3C

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On 23 Apr 2012, at 11:23, Alexandre Morgaut wrote:

> Hi Everybody!
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> About me
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> I'm Web Architect, Speaker, and Community Manager (was previously Product Manager at 4D).
> I work with HTML and JavaScript since 1995 and love it.
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> I recently created the NantesJS user group (Nantes is a french city) and regularly give talks there to teach JavaScript.
> We just started a partnership with a french computer school from which I'll help them to enhance their educational program on HTML5 & JavaScript technologies.
> I'm a reader in the JS Mentors mailing list (http://jsmentors.com/)
> I recently proposed also another W3C Community Group to enhance interoperability between Client & Server-side JavaScript trough HTML5 standard support (http://www.w3.org/community/groups/proposed/#jseverywhere). I participate in the support of HTML5 APIs on the server in Wakanda (XMLHttpRequest, Workers, Storage, File, console, ..)
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> I work on the wakanda platform project and help newcomers from this young community to move from their 4D, .NET, or Java experience to the full HTML5 / CSS3 / JavaScript experience, and promotes Web Application instead of native ones for mobiles.
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> I also organize the conference JS.everywhere which aims to promote Web Technologies to build Business Application in the Enterprise world. (http://jseverywhere.org)
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> About my implication in this working group
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> 1) I want to actively contribute but I have not full control of how much time I can give.
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> 2) I think I can reasonably at least engage myself for few hours a month
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> 3) I could mainly:
> - do some technical review
> - do outreach to educators
> - participate in the creation of official Web skills certifications (expected by recruiters)
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> I recently talked to Marie-Claire Forgue from W3C at www2012 to explain that what helped PHP to be more accepted in the enterprise world was the certification program launched by Zend. As it was for PHP, it is very hard while recruiting, to know the real level of expertise of a JavaScript developer. Many of them claim to be experts while they don't have a clue of what is a prototype or a closure...
> Currently when developers look for a certification they find:
> - http://www.w3schools.com/cert/default.asp
> - http://www.ncsacademy.com/freetest.cfm
> - http://www.ciwcertified.com/certifications/web_development_series/javascript.php
> Hard for a recruiter which is not a technical expert to know how to consider those...
> Even more an "official" certification would make developers considering to learn the standards to get it
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> 4) I'm personally mostly expert in JavaScript, HTTP & REST
> I don't know how you are related to those, but recently I have been looking at:
> - http://www.w3.org/wiki/HTML/Training
> - http://w3techcourses.com/
> - http://www.w3devcampus.com/
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> 5) I'm involved because I want:
> - Web Developers to really learn Web Technologies and not only rely on understanding via copy/paste or just learn a framework layer
> - Web Technologies to be considered as reliable enough and well supported enough to build critical business applications
> - More people to share well written source code on the Web
> - get information that might help me to enhance better the program of the computer school I mentioned before
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> Regards,
> Alexandre
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> On 20 avr. 2012, at 16:22, Chris Mills wrote:
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>> Hi Alexandre,
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>> Thanks for joining our group!
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>> Can you please intro yourself to the mailing list so we can say hi, and also send me answers to the following quick survey questions (I'm doing this just so I can gauge everyone's interests in the group, and see who is interested in working on what).
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>> Also if you have any questions, please feel free to hit me up!
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>> 1. Are you just lurking, or do you want to actively contribute? Just lurking is fine, but it is useful to know who I can approach with tasks, and who to leave alone.
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>> 1a. Is this likely to change soon?
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>> 2. If you want to actively contribute, how much time can you contribute, in general?
>> 	a. A few hours a week of my employer's time
>> 	b. A few hours a week of my own time
>> 	c. a. and b.
>> 	d. A few hours a month
>> 	e. An occasional time slot, not regularly.	
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>> 3. What do you want to work on? You can choose more than one, but list them in order of preference if possible.
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>> 	a. Writing tutorials, and reference material
>> 	b. Writing slideshows, curricula and other teaching material 
>> 	c. Technical editing of other people's technical material 
>> 	d. Proof reading material (checking for language errors)
>> 	e. Doing outreach to educators - getting them interested in using our resources
>> 	f. Investigating training and certification
>> 	g. Translations (state languages)
>> 	h. Outreach into specific non-English communities
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>> 4. If you have any specific skills, ideas or resources that would be useful to us, please list them here.
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>> 5. Why are you involved - what do you hope to gain out of contributing to the Web Ed CG?
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>> Chris Mills
>> Open standards evangelist and dev.opera.com editor, Opera Software
>> Co-chair, web education community group, W3C
>> 
>> * Try Opera: http://www.opera.com
>> * Learn about the latest open standards technologies and techniques: http://dev.opera.com
>> * Contribute to web education: http://www.w3.org/community/webed/
>> 
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>>> From: sysbot+ipp@w3.org
>>> Date: 19 April 2012 23:12:01 GMT+01:00
>>> To: ben@iconologic.com, cmills@opera.com, ij@w3.org
>>> Cc: w3c-archive@w3.org, alexandre.morgaut@4d.com
>>> Subject: 4D has joined the Web Education Community Group
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>>>  Dear non-W3C Member Representative, Chair, and Team Contact,
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>>> On April 19, 2012, 22:11  UTC, 4D joined the Web Education Community Group
>>> as requested by Alexandre Morgaut. The following commitments were made:
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