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Re: W3C Web Crypto WG - no conf call today, but voting instead

From: Harry Halpin <hhalpin@w3.org>
Date: Mon, 19 Nov 2012 22:14:05 +0100
Message-ID: <50AAA11D.6090102@w3.org>
To: Ryan Sleevi <sleevi@google.com>
CC: Mark Watson <watsonm@netflix.com>, GALINDO Virginie <Virginie.GALINDO@gemalto.com>, "public-webcrypto@w3.org" <public-webcrypto@w3.org>
On 11/19/2012 09:54 PM, Ryan Sleevi wrote:
> On Mon, Nov 19, 2012 at 12:50 PM, Harry Halpin <hhalpin@w3.org> wrote:
>> On 11/19/2012 06:14 PM, Mark Watson wrote:
>>
>> Virginie,
>>
>> Do you really mean bi-weekly? i.e. once every two weeks? Or do you mean
>> weekly with alternating times.
>>
>> The proposal is biweekly with alternating times, but both meetings would
>> have decision-making power. HOWEVER, this would mean that the chair has to
>> attend both meetings (with W3C staff) and that proposals need to be made to
>> the mailing list ahead of time for both meetings, so both meetings can have
>> consensus at the meeting.
>>
>>     cheers,
>>        harry
>>
>>
>> My vote is neutral, because I would have to leave the 7am PST calls at 7.45.
>>
>> Best,
>>
>> Mark
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>> On Nov 19, 2012, at 7:28 AM, "GALINDO Virginie"
>> <Virginie.GALINDO@gemalto.com> wrote:
>>
>> Dear all,
>>
>>
>>
>> Just to make things clear, there will be no conference call today.
>>
>>
>>
>> You may take this free time to consider answering the proposed resolution to
>> have our calls on a bi-weekly basis with
>>
>> -          one Monday @20:00 UTC (and not 18:00 UTC as stated in my previous
>> email)
>>
>> -          one Monday @15:00 UTC
>>
>>
>>
>> If resolution is accepted, we will start next week with this timing. Thanks
>> for indicating your support with +1 or -1.
>>
>>
>>
>> Regards,
>>
>> Virginie
>>
>>
>>
>>
> Can we just leave consensus to the mailing list, and use the phone
> meetings to work out details / answer questions / review the spec?
>
> Given that the past few issues on consensus have ended up spanning
> several phone calls, due to various participants being unable to
> attend phone/in-person meetings, it seems simpler to use the phone for
> high-bandwidth discussions that result in proposals then directed to
> the mail list for final consensus.

In general, the issue with consensus over mailing lists is that, given 
the amount of people on a mailing list, its unclear if "not voting" is 
abstention or just not reading email :)

So, phone calls are primarily useful not only for high-bandwidth 
discussion but talking through hard decisions and then making them in a 
clearly recorded manner. In general, we've been very informal re 
decisions, but as deadlines start getting closer, we will likely have to 
become more formal in order to speed things up.  In general, the best 
format is to email relatively complete and well-thought out proposals to 
the list at least a week ahead of time, let the list discuss, and then 
make decisions at the telecon.
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