[1]W3C [1] http://www.w3.org/ - DRAFT - WebCGM Teleconf 27 Apr 2009 [2]Agenda [2] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-webcgm-wg/2009Apr/0020.html See also: [3]IRC log [3] http://www.w3.org/2009/04/27-webcgm-irc Attendees Present bbezaire, dave, Don, lofton, Rob, Stuart, tmichel Regrets Chair lofton Scribe bbezaire Contents * [4]Topics 1. [5]roll call 2. [6]Closure of technical issues 3. [7]Review of TC's Test Suite progress 4. [8]Assignments for Tuesday 5. [9]Review of proposed progression * [10]Summary of Action Items _________________________________________________________ scribe: bbezaire roll call lofton: looks like we have everyone we expected. agenda is fine lofton: can we get a WebEx for tomorrow? Stuart: I will forward the information Closure of technical issues [11]http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-webcgm-wg/2009Apr/001 9.html [11] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-webcgm-wg/2009Apr/0019.html lofton: any items missing? list seems complete for now 1.) editorial issue with 'scale()' method: [12]http://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/cgmo-webcgm/200904/msg00051 .html [12] http://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/cgmo-webcgm/200904/msg00051.html I have lost you on zakim. I am dialing back. bbezaire: Result: newMatrix = thisMatrix x translate(rx,ry) x scale(sx,sy) x translate(-rx,-ry). lofton: no, I want to remove that. keep it simple. ... Result: newMatrix = thisMatrix x scaleMatrix. Resolution: simplify it... Result: newMatrix = thisMatrix x scaleMatrix. 2.) QUESTION: 'maplist' or 'mapList'? [13]http://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/cgmo-webcgm/200904/msg00066 .html [13] http://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/cgmo-webcgm/200904/msg00066.html Resolution: convert 'maplist' and 'dashlength' to camel-case in the DTD. 3.) ACI substitution of non-existent font: [14]http://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/cgmo-webcgm/200904/msg00037 .html [14] http://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/cgmo-webcgm/200904/msg00037.html Don: I think text is clear on that, but a side issue was raised from this. reference: [15]http://www.w3.org/Graphics/WebCGM/drafts/current-editor-21/WebCG M21-Config.html#ACI-deffont [15] http://www.w3.org/Graphics/WebCGM/drafts/current-editor-21/WebCGM21-Config.html#ACI-deffont Don: can defaultFont be used by itself, without a maplist in the ACI Dave: you can have zero maplist in the file Don: ok, good. Resolution: no changes needed. we will get back getObjectExtent a bit later, skip it for now 5.) ACI DTD and conformance: [16]http://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/cgmo-webcgm/200904/msg00100 .html (Proposed: Dave's new wording.) [16] http://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/cgmo-webcgm/200904/msg00100.html Rob: I think the biggest thing missing right now is that it doesn't say it has to be a valid document, but only a well-formed document. [17]http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-webcgm-wg/2009Apr/001 8.html [17] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-webcgm-wg/2009Apr/0018.html Resolution: fix Ch.9 conformance bits per Dave's proposal. 6.) upgrade XML 1.0 references to 5th Edition: [18]http://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/cgmo-webcgm/200904/msg00104 .html [18] http://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/cgmo-webcgm/200904/msg00104.html Rob: we reference more than one edition for XML 1.0 lofton: would it change any conformance criteria for WebCGM 2.1? ... I've also seen a thread on erratum processing against the 5th edition ACTION: Rob to investigate if XML 1.0 5th edition has implication on WebCGM. [recorded in [19]http://www.w3.org/2009/04/27-webcgm-minutes.html#action01] 4.) getObjectExtent and text (thread splits): [20]http://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/cgmo-webcgm/200904/msg00077 .html [20] http://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/cgmo-webcgm/200904/msg00077.html [21]http://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/cgmo-webcgm/200904/msg00078 .html [21] http://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/cgmo-webcgm/200904/msg00078.html [22]http://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/cgmo-webcgm/200904/msg00116 .html [22] http://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/cgmo-webcgm/200904/msg00116.html Sorry, I need to run. I will be back as soon as I can. me too, gotta run lofton: I think someone should take Forrest's information and draw a picture of it. ... and identify where the y-min and y-max should be ACTION: Forrest to draw a picture of the y-min and y-max values of a few characters [recorded in [23]http://www.w3.org/2009/04/27-webcgm-minutes.html#action02] Review of TC's Test Suite progress thanks i can access the FTP ftp://ftp.cgmlarson.com/ ftp://ftp.cgmlarson.com/test-matrix.htm and now ftp://ftp.cgmlarson.com/test-matrix.htm works also lofton: I think we should publish a snapshot of the test suite. Don: we should sync it with the next draft lofton: I think that's a good idea. tmichel: do we plan to advertise the test suite? lofton: no, not for the 2nd last call tmichel: ok, only for CR. Resolution: the WG recommends that the TC should publish a snapshot of the Test Suite at the same time as the anticipated 2nd LCWD is published. issue on transformAPS test Ulrich: we agree with Forrest's findings ... we are looking into this. (transformAnimation may be affected as well.) next: setGetFillOffset issue Forrest: I think the CGM file I submitted should be modified Ulrich: what is the implication of setGetFillOffset on the picture level? lofton: do we have any other style properties that apply only to APS and not the picture? Ulrich: the test is fine if we want to apply this at the picture level lofton: should we test the set and get at the picture level for one or more SP? Don: yes, I think it would make the test suite more complete lofton: I think we should use one of the simpler SPs to test the picture level. ACTION: Forrest to change fill-offset test to target APS level [recorded in [24]http://www.w3.org/2009/04/27-webcgm-minutes.html#action03] ACTION: Forrest to create a new test targeting a SP at the Picture level [recorded in [25]http://www.w3.org/2009/04/27-webcgm-minutes.html#action04] issue: aciFileSearch Created ISSUE-18 - AciFileSearch ; please complete additional details at [26]http://www.w3.org/Graphics/WebCGM/WG/track/issues/18/edit . [26] http://www.w3.org/Graphics/WebCGM/WG/track/issues/18/edit next: aciFileSearch problem Don: we couldn't find a good way to test aciFileSearch, we couldn't see a way to do one with real value ... we should replace the example in 9.2.3 from /WebCGM to /WebCGM.aci I will fix the example in 9.2.3 so that it is a complete path to the ACI *file*, not just a directory. We will call this to Stuart and Dave's attention for any further feedback (and put on Tues agenda). Resolution: aciFileSearch test should be removed from the test suite. next: getObjectExtent talking about Figure 11 in CGM:1999 I am dialing in lofton: lets talk about getObjectExtent after Forrest has completed his action item Assignments for Tuesday all items: graph the font metric marks, look at XML 1.0 5e upgrade, transformAPS test, setGetFillOffset test have an action item Review of proposed progression lofton: I will contact implementers to see if mid-July CR/test-fest F2F makes sense talking about last call publication tmichel: it is common practice to request feedback only on the latest changes. let me redial ... Thierry and Lofton will look into diffs of past draft documents. adjourn Summary of Action Items [NEW] ACTION: Forrest to change fill-offset test to target APS level [recorded in [27]http://www.w3.org/2009/04/27-webcgm-minutes.html#action03] [NEW] ACTION: Forrest to create a new test targeting a SP at the Picture level [recorded in [28]http://www.w3.org/2009/04/27-webcgm-minutes.html#action04] [NEW] ACTION: Forrest to draw a picture of the y-min and y-max values of a few characters [recorded in [29]http://www.w3.org/2009/04/27-webcgm-minutes.html#action02] [NEW] ACTION: Rob to investigate if XML 1.0 5th edition has implication on WebCGM. 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