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Re: Proposal for "Cascading Attribute Sheets" - like CSS, but for attributes!

From: Ojan Vafai <ojan@chromium.org>
Date: Tue, 21 Aug 2012 12:37:58 -0700
Message-ID: <CANMdWTssjiLabANxRhPHDV0UTN_vV7vkL8=aiwYQ74XwgxrYeQ@mail.gmail.com>
To: "Tab Atkins Jr." <jackalmage@gmail.com>
Cc: public-webapps <public-webapps@w3.org>
On Tue, Aug 21, 2012 at 11:17 AM, Tab Atkins Jr. <jackalmage@gmail.com>wrote:

> I recently participated in an internal thread at Google where it was
> proposed to move a (webkit-specific) feature from an attribute to a
> CSS property, because applying it via a property is *much* more
> convenient.
>
> Similarly, some of the a11y folks have recently been talking about
> applying aria-* attributes via CSS, again, because it's just so much
> more convenient.
>
> I think there are probably a lot of examples of this, where something
> definitely belongs in an attribute, but it would just be so *nice* to
> set it with something like CSS, where you declare it once and
> everything just works.  For example, inline event handlers!
>
> Given all this, I have a proposal for a method of doing that.  It's
> very similar to CSS and gives most of the benefits, but should avoid
> some pitfalls that have sunk similar proposals in the past.
>
> Cascading Attribute Sheets
> =======================
>
> CAS is a language using the same basic syntax of CSS, meant for easily
> applying attributes to an HTML page.
>
> To use it, include a CAS file using <script type="text/cas">.  (I
> chose <script> over <style>, even though it resembles CSS, because it
> acts more like a script - it's run once, no dynamic mutations to the
> file, etc.)  CAS scripts are automatically async.
>
> The basic grammar of CAS is identical to CSS.  Your attribute sheet
> contains rules, composed of selectors, curly braces, and declarations,
> like so:
>
> video {
>   preload: metadata;
> }
> #content video {
>   preload: auto;
> }
>
> In the place where CSS normally has a property name, CAS allows any
> attribute name.  In the value, CAS allows any single token, such as a
> number, identifier, or string.  If the value is a string, it's used as
> the attribute's value.  Otherwise, the value is serialized using CSS
> serialization rules, and that is used as the attribute's value.
>
> There are three special values you may use instead to set the value:
> !on sets an attribute to its name (shorthand for boolean attributes),
> !off removes an attribute (boolean or not), and !initial does nothing
> (it's used to cancel any changes that other, less specific, rules may
> be attempting to make, and is the initial value of all properties).
>
> CAS files are *not* as dynamic as CSS.  They do not respond to
> arbitrary document changes.  (They *can't*, otherwise you have
> dependency cycles with an attribute selector rule removing the
> attribute, etc.)  My thought right now is that your CAS is only
> applied to elements when they are inserted into the DOM (this also
> applies to any parser-created elements in the page).  This allows us
> to keep information tracking to a bare minimum - we don't need to
> track what attributes came from CAS vs the markup or setAttribute()
> calls, we don't need to define precedence between CAS and other
> sources, and we don't need to do any of the fancy coalescing and
> whatnot that CSS changes require.  Semantically, a CAS file should be
> exactly equivalent to a <script> that does
> "document.querySelectorAll(<selector>).forEach(<do attribute
> mutations>);", plus a mutation observer that reruns the mutations on
> any nodes added to the document.  It's just a much more convenient way
> to express these.
>

Meh. I think this loses most of the "CSS is so much more convenient"
benefits. It's mainly the fact that you don't have to worry about whether
the nodes exist yet that makes CSS more convenient.

That said, I share your worry that having this be dynamic would slow down
DOM modification too much.

What if we only allowed a restricted set of selectors and made these sheets
dynamic instead? Simple, non-pseudo selectors have information that is all
local to the node itself (e.g. can be applied before the node is in the
DOM). Maybe even just restrict it to IDs and classes. I think that would
meet the majority use-case much better.

Alternately, what if these applied the attributes asynchronously (e.g.
right before style resolution)?


> (Slight weirdness here - a CAS file can reset its own @src attribute
> to load *another* CAS file.  A <script> can do the same, though.
> Acceptable or not?)
>
> I think we should allow the CSS Conditional rules as well
> <http://dev.w3.org/csswg/css3-conditional/> - at least Media Queries,
> but @document seems useful as well, and @supports may even by
> justifiable (it would need some definition work to make it usable for
> CAS, though).  Again, these aren't responsive to live changes, like MQ
> are in CSS, but they let you respond to the initial document condition
> and apply attributes accordingly.
>
>
>
> Thoughts?  I tried to make this as simple as possible while still
> being useful, so that it's easy to implement and to understand.
> Hopefully I succeeded!
>
> ~TJ
>
>
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