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RE: to add Speech API to Charter; deadline January 19

From: Deborah Dahl <dahl@conversational-technologies.com>
Date: Fri, 13 Jan 2012 11:59:30 -0500
To: <dbernard@intellectiongroup.com>, "'Satish S'" <satish@google.com>, "'Young, Milan'" <Milan.Young@nuance.com>
Cc: "'Arthur Barstow'" <art.barstow@nokia.com>, "'public-webapps'" <public-webapps@w3.org>, <public-xg-htmlspeech@w3.org>
Message-ID: <00a401ccd214$b8359540$28a0bfc0$@conversational-technologies.com>
I agree that getting "good enough" out there sooner is an excellent goal,
although in practice there's always a lot of room for disagreement about
what's "good enough".
There isn't a draft priority list now, although the XG final report does
include prioritized requirements [1]. However, the requirements in the list
are just prioritized into very general classes, like "strong interest", so
they only provide a general guide to possible priorities for the
standardization work.

[1]
http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/htmlspeech/XGR-htmlspeech-20111206/#priorit
ized

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Dave Bernard [mailto:dbernard@intellectiongroup.com]
> Sent: Friday, January 13, 2012 11:14 AM
> To: 'Deborah Dahl'; 'Satish S'; 'Young, Milan'
> Cc: 'Arthur Barstow'; 'public-webapps'; public-xg-htmlspeech@w3.org
> Subject: RE: to add Speech API to Charter; deadline January 19
> 
> Deborah-
> 
> Is there a draft priority list in existence? I like the idea of getting
> "good enough" out there sooner, especially as an implementer with real
> projects in the space.
> 
> Dave
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Deborah Dahl [mailto:dahl@conversational-technologies.com]
> Sent: Friday, January 13, 2012 10:43 AM
> To: 'Satish S'; 'Young, Milan'
> Cc: 'Arthur Barstow'; 'public-webapps'; public-xg-htmlspeech@w3.org
> Subject: RE: to add Speech API to Charter; deadline January 19
> 
> Olli has a good point that it makes sense to implement the SpeechAPI in
> pieces. That doesn't mean that the WebApps WG only has to look at one
> proposal in deciding how to proceed with the work. Another option would be
> to start off the Speech API work in the Web Apps group with both proposals
> (the Google proposal and the SpeechXG report) and let the editors
prioritize
> the order that the different aspects of the API are worked out and
published
> as specs.
> 
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Satish S [mailto:satish@google.com]
> > Sent: Thursday, January 12, 2012 5:01 PM
> > To: Young, Milan
> > Cc: Arthur Barstow; public-webapps; public-xg-htmlspeech@w3.org
> > Subject: Re: to add Speech API to Charter; deadline January 19
> >
> > Milan,
> > It looks like we fundamentally agree on several things:
> > *  That we'd like to see the JavaScript Speech API included in the
> > WebApps' charter.*  That we believe the wire protocol is best suited
> > for another organization, such as IETF.*  That we believe the markup
> > bindings may be excluded.
> > Our only difference seems to be whether to start with the extensive
> > Javascript API proposed in [1] or the simplified subset of it proposed
> > in [2] which supports majority of the use cases in the XG’s Final
> > Report.
> >
> > Art Barstow asked for “a relatively specific proposal” and provided
> > some precedence examples regarding the level of detail. [3] Olli
> > Pettay wrote in [4] “Since from practical point of view the
> > API+protocol XG defined is a huge thing to implement at once, it makes
> > sense to implement it in pieces.”
> > Starting with a baseline that supports the majority of use cases will
> > accelerate implementation, interoperability testing, standardization
> > and ultimately developer adoption.
> > Cheers
> > Satish
> >
> > [1] http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/htmlspeech/XGR-htmlspeech/[2]
> > http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-webapps/2011OctDec/att-
> > 1696/speechapi.html[3]
> > http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-
> > webapps/2011OctDec/1474.html[4]
> > http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-webapps/2012JanMar/0068.htm
> > l On Thu, Jan 12, 2012 at 5:46 PM, Young, Milan
> > <Milan.Young@nuance.com>
> > wrote:
> > >
> > > I've made the point a few times now, and would appreciate a response.
> > > Why are we preferring to seed WebApps speech with [2] when we
> > > already have [3] that represents industry consensus as of a month
> > > ago (Google not withstanding)?  Proceeding with [2] would almost
> > > surely delay the resulting specification as functionality would
> > > patched and haggled over to meet consensus.
> > >
> > > My counter proposal is to open the HTML/speech marriage in WebApps
> > > essentially where we left off at [3].  The only variants being: 1)
> > > Dropping the markup bindings in sections 7.1.2/7.1.3 because its
> > > primary supporter has since expressed non-interest, and 2) Spin the
> > > protocol specification in 7.2 out to the IETF.  If I need to
> > > formalize all of this in a document, please let me know.
> > >
> > > Thank you
> > >
> > > [3] http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/htmlspeech/XGR-htmlspeech/
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: Arthur Barstow [mailto:art.barstow@nokia.com]
> > > Sent: Thursday, January 12, 2012 4:31 AM
> > > To: public-webapps
> > > Cc: public-xg-htmlspeech@w3.org
> > > Subject: CfC: to add Speech API to Charter; deadline January 19
> > >
> > > Glen Shires and some others at Google proposed [1] that WebApps add
> > > Speech API to WebApps' charter and they put forward the Speech
> > > Javascript API Specification [2] as as a starting point. Members of
> > > Mozilla and Nuance have voiced various levels of support for this
> > > proposal. As such, this is a Call for Consensus to add Speech API to
> > > WebApps' charter.
> > >
> > > Positive response to this CfC is preferred and encouraged and
> > > silence will be considered as agreeing with the proposal. The
> > > deadline for comments is January 19 and all comments should be sent
> > > to public-
> > webapps
> > > at w3.org.
> > >
> > > -AB
> > >
> > > [1]
> > > http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-webapps/2011OctDec/1696.h
> > > tml
> > > [2]
> > > http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-webapps/2011OctDec/att-
> > 1696/s
> > > peechapi.html
> > >
> > >
> 
> 
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