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Re: Clipboard API spec should specify beforecopy, beforecut, and beforepaste events

From: Bronislav Klučka <Bronislav.Klucka@bauglir.com>
Date: Wed, 02 May 2012 19:58:04 +0200
Message-ID: <4FA175AC.8050808@bauglir.com>
To: Ryosuke Niwa <rniwa@webkit.org>
CC: public-webapps@w3.org


On 2.5.2012 19:07, Ryosuke Niwa wrote:
> On Wed, May 2, 2012 at 9:44 AM, Bronislav Klučka 
> <Bronislav.Klucka@bauglir.com <mailto:Bronislav.Klucka@bauglir.com>> 
> wrote:
>
>     On 2.5.2012 18:15, Ryosuke Niwa wrote:
>>     On Wed, May 2, 2012 at 8:55 AM, Bronislav Klučka
>>     <Bronislav.Klucka@bauglir.com
>>     <mailto:Bronislav.Klucka@bauglir.com>> wrote:
>>
>>         Bear with me...
>>         Delphi (Object Pascal) Visual Component Library has concept
>>         of Actions, some Actions can be assigned to Controls (those
>>         would be here menu/contextmenu items of the browser, would be
>>         great to be able to assign such Action (or some inherited
>>         object) to my own <button>), one Action can be assigned to
>>         unlimited number of controls. Action has 2 important
>>         methods/events (either overriding the method or listening to
>>         the event default method triggers). First one is Execute,
>>         that is called, when Control default activation happens
>>         (click/enter on button, click on menu item), which helps to
>>         utilize functionality for several controls in one place
>>         (essentially one event handler function, we can do that of
>>         course in JS..)
>>         The important thing is, Action also has Update method
>>         (OnUpdate event), that is called every time application gets
>>         to idle state (application receive message (system message
>>         like click, paint, keydown, whatever), application processes
>>         this message and any subsequent messages if any new are in
>>         the queue and goes to idle). And in that idle state
>>         application goes through all the Actions in the application
>>         and calls Update method and then the Action can decide,
>>         whether is enabled or not. And all Controls with this Action
>>         assigned would change this property as well
>>
>>          I could express it in JS as
>>         var deleteUserAction = new Action();
>>
>>         deleteUserAction.addEventHandler('execute', function()
>>         {
>>          //some code to delete all selected users
>>         });
>>
>>         deleteUserAction.addEventHandler('update', function()
>>         {
>>          this.enabled = (myList.selectedUsers.length > 1) &&
>>         havingRightsToDeleteUsers;
>>         });
>>         mainMenuItemDelete.action = deleteUserAction;
>>         contextMenuItemDelete.action = deleteUserAction;
>>         toolbarButtonDelete.action = deleteUserAction;
>>
>>         So the update handler allows you not to care about how many
>>         controls should you disable/enable, just assign this action
>>         to any control, in this action handler set up enabled to this
>>         action and all controls are updated. So except the assignment
>>         of Action to Control, no additional work needed. And the
>>         concept of calling the update method guarantees, the UI is up
>>         to date (user is doing something, messages are queued and
>>         processed, the second there is time, all actions are
>>         updated). Since it is in idle state, programmer does not have
>>         to care when and how to set up all controls.
>>         Action also has e.g. caption, image, etc. when updated again,
>>         all assigned controls are updated to have the same caption,
>>         image, etc...
>>
>>         I'm currently trying to implement this in my web application
>>         (would be handy to have idle event), because it would
>>         simplify UI management on programmers level, but something
>>         like this could help to update browser's UI as well.
>>
>>
>>     This is why I've suggested to tie command elements to execCommand
>>     in
>>     http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-webapps/2011OctDec/1232.html
>>     to be used as a state machine.
>     Basically yes... self updatable state machine (that "self" part is
>     extremely important to me), but if doing so, it would be great not
>     to bing it some specific feature (Editing API, browser UI), but
>     make it more generic = usable.
>
>
> But scripts can already do that if they don't need / want to 
> communicate any intents with the browser; e.g. you're implementing it 
> for your web app.
>
> - Ryosuke
>

Hi,
Scripts can update controls, of course, but the question is (that is 
discussed here, that is handled by Delphi's Idle state) when to do that...

B.
Received on Wednesday, 2 May 2012 17:58:32 GMT

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