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Re: [IndexedDB] IDBObjectStore.delete should accept a KeyRange

From: Jonas Sicking <jonas@sicking.cc>
Date: Thu, 27 Oct 2011 17:59:36 -0700
Message-ID: <CA+c2ei8FPSL5hj0A1fT_GENT65HmB9t-h_JkjXLokSHN64YTCA@mail.gmail.com>
To: Israel Hilerio <israelh@microsoft.com>
Cc: Joshua Bell <jsbell@chromium.org>, "public-webapps@w3.org" <public-webapps@w3.org>, Adam Herchenroether <aherchen@microsoft.com>, Victor Ngo <vicngo@microsoft.com>, Jim Wordelman <jaword@microsoft.com>
On Thu, Oct 27, 2011 at 9:33 AM, Israel Hilerio <israelh@microsoft.com> wrote:
> On Wednesday, October 26, 2011 6:38 PM, Jonas Sicking wrote:
>> On Wed, Oct 26, 2011 at 11:31 AM, Israel Hilerio <israelh@microsoft.com>
>> wrote:
>> > On Wednesday, October 26, 2011 9:35 AM, Joshua Bell wrote:
>> >>On Tue, Oct 25, 2011 at 4:50 PM, Israel Hilerio <israelh@microsoft.com>
>> wrote:
>> >>>On Monday, October 24, 2011 7:40 PM, Jonas Sicking wrote:
>> >>>>
>> >>>> While I was there it did occur to me that the fact that the .delete
>> >>>> function "returns" (through request.result in the async API)
>> >>>> true/false depending on if any records were removed or not might be
>> bad for performance.
>> >>>>
>> >>>> I suspect that this highly depends on the implementation and that
>> >>>> in some implementations knowing if records were deleted will be
>> >>>> free and in others it will be as costly as a .count() and then a
>> >>>> .delete(). In yet others it could depend on if a range, rather than
>> >>>> a key, was used, or if the objectStore has indexes which might need
>> updating.
>> >>>>
>> >>>> Ultimately I don't have a strong preference either way, though it
>> >>>> seems unfortunate to slow down implementations for what likely is a
>> rare use case.
>> >>>>
>> >>>> Let me know what you think.
>> >>>>
>> >>>> / Jonas
>> >>>>
>> >
>> >>>To clarify, removing the return value from the sync call would change its
>> return signature to void.  In this case, >>successfully returning from the
>> IDBObjectStore.delete call would mean that the information was successfully
>> >>deleted, correct?  If the information was not successfully deleted, would we
>> throw an exception?
>> >>>
>> >>>In the async case, we would keep the same return value of IDBRequest for
>> IDBObjectStore.delete.  The only change is >>that the request.result would be
>> null, correct?  If no information is deleted or if part of the keyRange data is
>> deleted, >>should we throw an error event?  It seems reasonable to me.
>> >
>> >>When you write "If no information is deleted ... should we throw an error
>> event?" do you mean (1) there was no >matching key so the delete was a no-
>> op, or (2) there was a matching key but an internal error occurred preventing
>> the >delete? I ask because the second clause, "if part of the keyRange data is
>> deleted, should we throw an error event?" >doesn't make sense to me in
>> interpretation (1) since I'd expect sparse ranges in many cases.
>> >
>> > I was originally referring to (1) and (2).  However, after discussing this with
>> a couple of folks we believe that the better approach would be to:
>> > * continue to return true or false in the result.  This will take care of (1) and
>> the successful deletion of all records.
>> > * publish an error event if (2).  What I meant by (2) is that if there was a
>> successful set of matches that were able to be returned by the keyRange, we
>> should guarantee the deletion of all the matches or none.
>> >
>> > However, (2) brings up a bigger issue.  We are basically saying that if we
>> support deletion of keyRanges we are guaranteeing that the batch operation
>> will all happen or none of it will happen.  This implies some type of inner-
>> transaction associated only with the delete operation, which could also be
>> rolledback as part of the outer-transaction.  Otherwise, you could potentially
>> preventDefault on any record that failed to be deleted and have your database
>> in some type of inconsistent state.  Was that the intent?
>>
>> This is already the case. For example when a inserting a value into an object
>> store the implementation might need to go update several indexes. Updating
>> one of these indexes might result in the violation of a 'unique' constraint at
>> which point all changes to all indexes as well as the change to the object store
>> must be rolled back. However no other changes done as part of the
>> transaction should be rolled back (unless the resulting "error" event isn't
>> canceled).
>>
>> This is required in step 7 of the "Steps for asynchronously executing a
>> request" (though I now see that it's missing in the "Steps for synchronously
>> executing a request").
>>
>> dvcs.w3.org/hg/IndexedDB/raw-file/tip/Overview.html#steps-for-
>> asynchronously-executing-a-request
>>
>> In the firefox implementation we create a "mini transaction" for each
>> database request and if any part of the request fail we just roll back the "mini
>> transaction".
>
> You are correct!  I forgot that we also do something similar.
> So if we fail to remove any one record from the keyRange set, should we throw an InvalidStateError, UnknownError, other?

I think for failed reads/writes like that we should use UnknownError.
InvalidStateError indicates a fault on the side of the web page which
isn't the case here.

During our internal security review of IndexedDB we came to the
conclusion that for IO errors we generally will not want to use more
specific errors than UnknownError for fear of exposing sensitive
information about the user's environment. At least unless there are
clear use cases for it.

>> >>In the async case, interpretation (1) matches Chrome's current behavior:
>> success w/ null result if something was >deleted, error if there was nothing to
>> delete. But I was about to land a patch to match the spec: success w/
>> true/false, >so this thread is timely.
>> >
>> > Our current implementation matches the spec, so we are okay keeping it the
>> way it is in the spec.  In either case, we need to figure out what to do when
>> the partial deletion of keyRange records takes place.
>>
>> So you are not worried that this might make it impossible to do further
>> optimizations in the future?
>>
>> Ultimately I'm ok either way. I don't have enough database experience to
>> judge if we might loose out on important performance optimizations in the
>> future. And I definitely think it's the case that if we make it return null then
>> we'll force some people to do a .count() and then
>> .delete() which is almost always slower.
>>
>> / Jonas
>>
>
> We don't see this being a perf issue for our implementation.  While it could be an issue for some implementations, based on our experience we don't see this being a big perf hit.

Ok, if no-one has performance concerns about this (which somewhat
surprises me), then let's leave the spec as-is. I.e. returning
true/false indicating if any records were deleted.

Or should we return a count indicating how many records were deleted?

/ Jonas
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