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Re: [cors] 27 July 2010 CORS feedback

From: Jonas Sicking <jonas@sicking.cc>
Date: Mon, 22 Nov 2010 00:31:25 -0800
Message-ID: <AANLkTin7-s8at5zF6TEN_9er0Ztt0Fpq0Oe_FM4Hsy=q@mail.gmail.com>
To: Mark Nottingham <mnot@mnot.net>
Cc: public-webapps@w3.org
On Sun, Nov 21, 2010 at 10:41 PM, Mark Nottingham <mnot@mnot.net> wrote:
> I looked at the most recent specification and noted a few things. Apologies if these are repeats of earlier feedback, but they're still outstanding.
>
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> 1) POST is listed as a "simple method," thereby exempting POST from the "preflight" check. I understand that the rationale for this is that POST already can be automatically generated (by form.submit() APIs), but this does not justify opening a new security hole in the Web; it only makes closing the existing ones more difficult.

As someone who would love to disable cross-site POSTing, and someone
who actually has the ability to try to experiment with this on one of
the most used user agents, I have to disagree.

The amount of content out there that depends on cross-site POSTing
using forms is enormous. The amount of content out there that depends
on cross-site POSTing using CORS is insignificant. Trying to disable
the former would be such an enormous undertaking that we wouldn't even
notice the extra amount of work due to the latter.

I've had this exact discussion at mozilla a couple of times and it
basically always goes like this:

other person: Hmm.. we might want to disable cross-site posting for
forms some day, so is it such a good idea that cors enables it?
me: If we do disable it for forms we'll just disable it for cors too.
So much content will break for forms that the cors breakage won't be
what we're concerned about.
other person: Yeah, true.

> 3) When a server changes the headers in a response based upon the value of the incoming Origin header (as outlined in sections 5.1 and 5.2), it must insert Vary: Origin into *all* responses for that resource; otherwise, downstream caches will incorrectly store it.
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> Be aware that doing so will cause many versions of IE not to cache those responses at all. Another option would be to disallow varying the response based upon the Origin header.

Disallowing varying by origin seems like a bigger problem than IE not caching.

> 5) Using a "preflight" check in combination with a cache exposes sites to DNS rebinding, man-in-the-middle, and potentially other attacks that did not exist before. This should be noted.

The DNS rebinding issue is a quality of implementation issue. It's no
problem simply rerequesting the preflight if the DNS resolves to a
different IP between the preflight and the actual request. I agree
that noting this in spec is a good idea.

Could you describe the new man-in-the-middle attacks which did not
exist before with cross-origin communications?

> 6) Requiring a preflight check per-URI is not an efficient use of network resources for applications that use a large number of URIs, as is becoming more prevalent; effectively, it introduces another round-trip for each unsafe request. Handling OPTIONS is also somewhat specialised on many servers. It's also awkward to handle OPTIONS per-URI on many servers. I've raised this several times before, and am still not convinced that the underlying requirement (#8) justifies such a convoluted and ill-concieved design, or indeed is effectively met by this design.
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> Allowing a site to define a 'map' of where cross-origin requests are allowed to go would be more efficient in most cases, would be vastly simpler to implement for servers, and would be similar to many other site-wide policy mechanisms on the Web.

We had a design in place which allowed preflights to apply to multiple
URIs. However there were too many issues with servers resolving URIs
in weird ways which made us drop it. One concrete example was that
some versions of IIS UTF8 decoded URIs and then ignored bits above the
lower 8 bits. This made it treat URIs as if they contained ".." when
the browser had no idea of this.

In short, CORS felt like the wrong spec to start relying on servers
not to do strange URI handling.

/ Jonas
Received on Monday, 22 November 2010 08:32:32 GMT

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