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Re: [Bug 11270] New: Interaction between in-line keys and key generators

From: Jeremy Orlow <jorlow@chromium.org>
Date: Thu, 11 Nov 2010 15:20:54 +0300
Message-ID: <AANLkTikjsgvxVVE3Hh5zLKvZ96GOHsZj7LftVxQi3GnB@mail.gmail.com>
To: Jonas Sicking <jonas@sicking.cc>
Cc: "Tab Atkins Jr." <jackalmage@gmail.com>, Pablo Castro <Pablo.Castro@microsoft.com>, "bugzilla@jessica.w3.org" <bugzilla@jessica.w3.org>, "public-webapps@w3.org" <public-webapps@w3.org>
On Thu, Nov 11, 2010 at 2:37 AM, Jonas Sicking <jonas@sicking.cc> wrote:

> On Wed, Nov 10, 2010 at 3:15 PM, Tab Atkins Jr. <jackalmage@gmail.com>
> wrote:
> > On Wed, Nov 10, 2010 at 2:07 PM, Jonas Sicking <jonas@sicking.cc> wrote:
> >> On Wed, Nov 10, 2010 at 1:50 PM, Tab Atkins Jr. <jackalmage@gmail.com>
> wrote:
> >>> On Wed, Nov 10, 2010 at 1:43 PM, Pablo Castro
> >>> <Pablo.Castro@microsoft.com> wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>> From: public-webapps-request@w3.org [mailto:
> public-webapps-request@w3.org] On Behalf Of bugzilla@jessica.w3.org
> >>>> Sent: Monday, November 08, 2010 5:07 PM
> >>>>
> >>>>>> So what happens if trying save in an object store which has the
> following
> >>>>>> keypath, the following value. (The generated key is 4):
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> "foo.bar"
> >>>>>> { foo: {} }
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Here the resulting object is clearly { foo: { bar: 4 } }
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> But what about
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> "foo.bar"
> >>>>>> { foo: { bar: 10 } }
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Does this use the value 10 rather than generate a new key, does it
> throw an
> >>>>>> exception or does it store the value { foo: { bar: 4 } }?
> >>>>
> >>>> I suspect that all options are somewhat arbitrary here. I'll just
> propose that we error out to ensure that nobody has the wrong expectations
> about the implementation preserving the initial value. I would be open to
> other options except silently overwriting the initial value with a generated
> one, as that's likely to confuse folks.
> >>>
> >>> It's relatively common for me to need to supply a manual value for an
> >>> id field that's automatically generated when working with databases,
> >>> and I don't see any particular reason that my situation would change
> >>> if using IndexedDB.  So I think that a manually-supplied key should be
> >>> kept.
> >>
> >> I'm fine with either solution here. My database experience is too weak
> >> to have strong opinions on this matter.
> >>
> >> What do databases usually do with columns that use autoincrement but a
> >> value is still supplied? My recollection is that that is generally
> >> allowed?
> >
> > I can only speak from my experience with mySQL, which is generally
> > very permissive, but which has very sensible behavior here imo.
> >
> > You are allowed to insert values manually into an AUTO_INCREMENT
> > column.  The supplied value is stored as normal.  If the value was
> > larger than the current autoincrement value, the value is increased so
> > that the next auto-numbered row will have an id one higher than the
> > row you just inserted.
> >
> > That is, given the following inserts:
> >
> > insert row(val) values (1);
> > insert row(id,val) values (5,2);
> > insert row(val) values (3);
> >
> > The table will contain [{id:1, val:1}, {id:5, val:2}, {id:6, val:3}].
> >
> > If you have uniqueness constraints on the field, of course, those are
> > also used.  Basically, AUTO_INCREMENT just alters your INSERT before
> > it hits the db if there's a missing value; otherwise the query is
> > treated exactly as normal.
>
> This is how sqlite works too. It'd be great if we could make this
> required behavior.
>

What would we do if what they provided was not an integer?  What happens if
the number they insert is so big that the next one causes overflow?  What is
the use case for this?  Do we really think that most of the time users do
this it'll be intentional and not just a mistake?

J
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