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RE: [widgets] What does it mean to have an unavailable API

From: Marcin Hanclik <Marcin.Hanclik@access-company.com>
Date: Wed, 3 Jun 2009 12:16:58 +0200
To: Jonas Sicking <jonas@sicking.cc>
CC: Scott Wilson <scott.bradley.wilson@gmail.com>, Henri Sivonen <hsivonen@iki.fi>, public-webapps <public-webapps@w3.org>
Message-ID: <FAA1D89C5BAF1142A74AF116630A9F2C0A26ED909F@OBEEX01.obe.access-company.com>
Hi Jonas,

requestFeature() is mainly (still debated, though) for websites, i.e. online content where the <feature> is not present.
<feature> is for packaged widgets only.

>>However this does not seem to be true
>>if the exploited code could simply call requestFeature() first, and
>>then use the feature.
Calling requestFeature() does not mean that the security aspects are omitted.
The check against the security policy happens when requestFeature() is called.

Thanks.

Kind regards,
Marcin

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-----Original Message-----
From: Jonas Sicking [mailto:jonas@sicking.cc]
Sent: Tuesday, June 02, 2009 7:19 PM
To: Marcin Hanclik
Cc: Scott Wilson; Henri Sivonen; public-webapps
Subject: Re: [widgets] What does it mean to have an unavailable API

On Tue, Jun 2, 2009 at 7:28 AM, Marcin Hanclik
<Marcin.Hanclik@access-company.com> wrote:
> Hi Scott,
>
> In BONDI we have discussed the (has/request)Feature() for some time.
> http://bondi.omtp.org/1.0/security/BONDI_Architecture_and_Security_v1.0.pdf, section 4.3
>
> A few points for further discussion:
> 1. feature (at least in BONDI) is an abstract thing, not just one function. So hasFeature() is simply optimized checking procedure. If you check for a feature and discover that it is available, you may/should/must assume that a set of functions is available. Otherwise, you have to check each function individually and basically you cannot assume that if one functions is available, then the other is as well.
>
> 2. requestFeature() adds dynamism to the Website content. Widgets express their dependency statically by <feature>.
> http://bondi.omtp.org/1.0/security/BONDI_Architecture_and_Security_Appendices_v1.0.pdf B.2 specifies more details.

Doesn't the requestFeature() make at least the security benefits of
<feature> moot? In Another thread Marcos stated that one of the
benefits of <feature> was that if a widget gets exploited, the
exploited code couldn't get access to any features that the widget
hadn't enabled using <feature>. However this does not seem to be true
if the exploited code could simply call requestFeature() first, and
then use the feature.

/ Jonas

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