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Re: Request for Comments on Widgets 1.0 Requirements Last Call WD

From: Arthur Barstow <art.barstow@nokia.com>
Date: Mon, 4 Aug 2008 07:07:18 -0400
Message-Id: <D95F7535-B0F6-4681-A3D4-2B6006F6B8C9@nokia.com>
Cc: Cynthia Shelly <cyns@exchange.microsoft.com>, wai-xtech@w3.org, public-webapps <public-webapps@w3.org>, ext Marcos Caceres <marcosscaceres@gmail.com>
To: Sally Cain <sally.cain@rnib.org.uk>, Steven Faulkner <faulkner.steve@gmail.com>

Sally, Steve, All

FYI, Cynthia Shelly [CS] submitted comments that are similar to the  
ones you submitted regarding requirement #37 [37] of the Widgets  
Requirement LC WD [LC].

Both Marcos [MC] and I [AB] replied to Cynthia's comments. We agree  
the wording in sentences #2 and #3 needs work and the tentative  
resolution is to replace this requirement with text like:

[[
A conforming specification must specify that the language used to  
declare the user interface of a widget be either HTML or a language  
that is accessible as defined by [WCAG-2].
]]

Would you please let us know if the above text is acceptable or not  
and if not, please elaborate on your concerns.

-Regards, Art Barstow

[CS] <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-webapps/2008JulSep/ 
0109.html>
[37] <http://www.w3.org/TR/2008/WD-widgets-reqs-20080625/#r37.->
[LC] <http://www.w3.org/TR/2008/WD-widgets-reqs-20080625/>
[MC] <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-webapps/2008JulSep/ 
0295.html>
[AB] <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-webapps/2008JulSep/ 
0271.html>


On Jul 31, 2008, at 11:36 AM, ext Cain, Sally wrote:

>
>  Hi,
>
> I would also like to comment on R37 Language Accessibility  
> Paragraph. I
> will separate out the paragraph which holds the statements and then
> comment under each section:
>
>> "...it SHOULD provide keyboard access to interactive graphical
> elements..."
>
> Steve has commented that this SHOULD, should be a MUST. I would  
> comment
> to support that, unless there is another way to access these  
> interactive
> elements via the keyboard. There must be a way to access the widget
> using the keyboard.
>
>> "...and provide means to access the widget's functionality through an
> non-graphical UI."
>
> This statement above is also a SHOULD and not MUST. I think the key
> thing and my comment is that it MUST provide keyboard accessibility to
> the functionality whether it be through a graphical or non- 
> graphical UI.
>
>
> "The declared interface MAY also be accessible to screen readers,
> allowing relevant
> sections of text and functionality to be accessed by non-visual  
> means."
>
> I would also have concerned about this statement above being a MAY. As
> Steve says the declared interface MUST be accessible to access
> technologies and not just screen readers specifically.
>
> I hope these comments are useful and again I hope I have not
> misunderstood the context of these statements.
>
>
> Sally Cain
> Digital Accessibility Development Officer
> RNIB
> UK
>
> Now online - The RNIB Software Access Centre. Helping you design,
> procure and test for software accessibility. Go to:
> www.rnib.org.uk/softwareaccesscentre
> -----Original Message-----
> From: wai-xtech-request@w3.org [mailto:wai-xtech-request@w3.org] On
> Behalf Of Steven Faulkner
> Sent: 31 July 2008 14:21
> To: Arthur Barstow
> Cc: wai-xtech@w3.org; ext Marcos Caceres
> Subject: Re: Request for Comments on Widgets 1.0 Requirements Last  
> Call
> WD
>
>
> The current spec states:
>
> "R37. Language Accessibility
> A conforming specification must specify that the language used to
> declare the user interface of a widget be either HTML or a language
> that is accessible at various levels: it should provide keyboard
> access to interactive graphical elements, and provide means to access
> the widget's functionality through an non-graphical UI. The declared
> interface may also be accessible to screen readers, allowing relevant
> sections of text and functionality to be accessed by non-visual means.
>
> Motivation:
> Compatibility with other standards, current development practice or
> industry best-practices, ease of use.
> Rationale:
> To recommend a language, or a set of languages, that will allow
> authors to realize their designs, while at the same time remaining
> accessible to screen readers and similar assistive technologies. "
>
>
> In order for a widget to be accessible would it not be a MUST
> requirement that keyboard access be provided or able to be provided
> uisng the language of choice?
> Also why is that the "declared interface may also be accessible to
> screen readers"? again for it to be considered accessible would it not
> be that a widget MUST be accessible to AT or abkle to be made
> available using the language of choice?
>
> apologies if I am missing something here.
>
>
> regards
> stevef
>
>
> 2008/7/31 Arthur Barstow <art.barstow@nokia.com>:
>>
>> This is a reminder August 1 is the end of the comment period for the
> Widgets
>> 1.0 Requirements Last Call Working Draft.
>>
>> -Regards, Art Barstow
>>
>>
>> Begin forwarded message:
>>
>>> From: Arthur Barstow <art.barstow@nokia.com>
>>> Date: June 26, 2008 4:50:51 PM EDT
>>> To: wai-xtech@w3.org
>>> Cc: Marcos Caceres <m.caceres@qut.edu.au>
>>> Subject: Request for Comments on Widgets 1.0 Requirements Last Call
> WD
>>>
>>> Al, P&F WG,
>>>
>>> On June 25 the Web Applications WG published a Last Call Working
> Draft of
>>> the Widgets 1.0 Requirements document:
>>>
>>> [[
>>> <http://www.w3.org/TR/2008/WD-widgets-reqs-20080625/>
>>> Abstract: This document lists the design goals and requirements that
> a
>>> specification would need to address in order to standardize various
> aspects
>>> of widgets. Widgets are small client-side Web applications for
> displaying
>>> and updating remote data, that are packaged in a way to allow
> download and
>>> installation on a client machine, mobile phone, or mobile Internet
> device.
>>> Typical examples of widgets include clocks, CPU gauges, sticky  
>>> notes,
>>> battery-life indicators, games, and those that make use of Web
> services,
>>> like weather forecasters, news readers, email checkers, photo albums
> and
>>> currency converters.
>>>
>>> Introduction: A widget is an interactive single purpose application
> for
>>> displaying and/or updating local data or data on the Web,  
>>> packaged in
> a way
>>> to allow a single download and installation on a user's machine or
> mobile
>>> device. A widget may run as a stand alone application (meaning it  
>>> can
> run
>>> outside of a Web browser), or may be embedded into a Web  
>>> document. In
> this
>>> document, the runtime environment on which a widget is run is
> referred to as
>>> a widget user agent and a running widget is referred to as an
> instantiated
>>> widget. Prior to instantiation, a widget exists as a widget  
>>> resource.
> For
>>> more information about widgets, see the Widget Landscape document.
>>> ]]
>>>
>>> We would appreciate any comments your WG has on this LC document,
>>> especially those requirements relevant to your WG's domain/scope.  
>>> The
>>> comment period ends 1 August 2008.
>>>
>>> -Regards, Art Barstow
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
> -- 
> with regards
>
> Steve Faulkner
> Technical Director - TPG Europe
> Director - Web Accessibility Tools Consortium
>
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>
>
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