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[minutes] DOM3 Events Telcon, 16 July 2008

From: Doug Schepers <schepers@w3.org>
Date: Thu, 17 Jul 2008 04:24:44 -0400
Message-ID: <487F01CC.9050900@w3.org>
To: "public-webapps@w3.org" <public-webapps@w3.org>

Hi, WebApps Fans-

The minutes for the DOM3 Events Telcon of 16 July 2008 can be found here:

   http://www.w3.org/2008/07/16-webapps-minutes.html

Or as text below:

    [1]W3C

       [1] http://www.w3.org/

                                - DRAFT -

              Web Applications Working Group Teleconference

16 Jul 2008

    [2]Agenda

       [2] http://www.w3.org/2008/webapps/wiki/16_Jul_2008

    See also: [3]IRC log

       [3] http://www.w3.org/2008/07/16-webapps-irc

Attendees

    Present
           [Microsoft], +358.504.86aaaa, Shepazu, smaug, Travis,
           timeless, aemmons

    Regrets
           Carmelo

    Chair
           Doug

    Scribe
           Travis

Contents

      * [4]Topics
          1. [5]key identifiers
          2. [6]mouseenter/mouseleave
      * [7]Summary of Action Items
      _________________________________________________________



    <trackbot> Date: 16 July 2008

    Travis will scribe.

    <scribe> scribenick: Travis

key identifiers

    <shepazu>
    [8]http://dev.w3.org/2006/webapi/DOM-Level-3-Events/html/DOM3-Events
    .html

       [8] 
http://dev.w3.org/2006/webapi/DOM-Level-3-Events/html/DOM3-Events.html

    shepazu: Looking at the latest draft of DOM L3 Events
    ... using Geek alt. style, can see the testable assertions.
    ... now looking at changes in Appendix A.1.5
    ... The goal of key identifiers (I want feedback here): identify the
    key value as it is currently configured (key mapping + modifier
    keys, etc.)

    <timeless> for reference, the n810 keyboard:
    [9]http://arstechnica.com/reviews/hardware/nokia-n810-review.ars/2

       [9] http://arstechnica.com/reviews/hardware/nokia-n810-review.ars/2

    shepazu: again: would like to identify what the current output of
    the key will be.

    Travis: Could we walk through an example?

    shepazu: Q key example.
    ... Press "1" key --> key identifier as "1"
    ... Press <shift>+"1" key --> key identifier as "!"

    <timeless> for reference,
    [10]http://www.microsoft.com/globaldev/reference/keyboards.mspx

      [10] http://www.microsoft.com/globaldev/reference/keyboards.mspx

    shepazu: for "[" there's a unicode value (U+005B), a named value
    "LeftSquareBracket", and a character value "["

    Travis: To make things simpler, could provide seperate accessors for
    key char, key name, key unicode.

    <scribe> ACTION: shepazu to define either three new attributes for
    keyIdentifierChar, keyIdentifierName, and keyIdentifierUnicode (or
    an object that contains them and has stringification magic)
    [recorded in
    [11]http://www.w3.org/2008/07/16-webapps-minutes.html#action01]

    <trackbot> Created ACTION-14 - Define either three new attributes
    for keyIdentifierChar, keyIdentifierName, and keyIdentifierUnicode
    (or an object that contains them and has stringification magic) [on
    Doug Schepers - due 2008-07-23].

    <shepazu>
    [12]http://dev.w3.org/2006/webapi/DOM-Level-3-Events/html/DOM3-Event
    s.html#events-Events-KeyboardEvents-Interfaces

      [12] 
http://dev.w3.org/2006/webapi/DOM-Level-3-Events/html/DOM3-Events.html#events-Events-KeyboardEvents-Interfaces

    Issue: If accessKeys are a key scenario, might want to define an
    AccessKeyEvent for a future specification of DOM Events.

    <trackbot> Created ISSUE-40 - If accessKeys are a key scenario,
    might want to define an AccessKeyEvent for a future specification of
    DOM Events. ; please complete additional details at
    [13]http://www.w3.org/2008/webapps/track/issues/40/edit .

      [13] http://www.w3.org/2008/webapps/track/issues/40/edit

    shepazu: IME (input method editors) are still and open issue
    (Working on this...)
    ... Also, trying to get this spec to last call in 1 to 1-1/2 months.
    Trying hard to resolve open issues...

mouseenter/mouseleave

    <smaug> argh

    <smaug> will be back

    Travis: mouseenter/mouseleave can be simulated using the existing
    DOM L3 constructs mouseover/mouseout.
    ... the value-add is in the convenience that these events offer for
    certain scenarios.

    (Most of these scenarios involved tracking the mouse pointer around
    the visual layout of the web page (versus a document-tree navigation
    model)

    scribe: In the interest of closing on DOM L3 events, may want to
    consider this for a future version of the spec.

    Resolution: Defer mouseenter/mouseleave for a later version of DOM
    Events.

    shepazu: As a convenience method this is definately worth
    investigating...

    <scribe> ACTION: shepazu to create list of future events to add to a
    future spec. [recorded in
    [14]http://www.w3.org/2008/07/16-webapps-minutes.html#action02]

    <trackbot> Created ACTION-15 - Create list of future events to add
    to a future spec. [on Doug Schepers - due 2008-07-23].

    (multiple input, accessKey, mouseenter/leave

    shepazu: Any other issues to bring up, or are we done?

    <smaug> so great

    <smaug> Sorry, the WLAN here @summer cottage just went down

    <shepazu>
    [15]http://dev.w3.org/2006/webapi/DOM-Level-3-Events/html/DOM3-Event
    s.html#events-event-DOMCharacterDataModified

      [15] 
http://dev.w3.org/2006/webapi/DOM-Level-3-Events/html/DOM3-Events.html#events-event-DOMCharacterDataModified

    Adios.

    <timeless> zakim: +358.504.86aaaa is me

    <shepazu> don't sweat it :)

Summary of Action Items

    [NEW] ACTION: shepazu to create list of future events to add to a
    future spec. [recorded in
    [16]http://www.w3.org/2008/07/16-webapps-minutes.html#action02]
    [NEW] ACTION: shepazu to define either three new attributes for
    keyIdentifierChar, keyIdentifierName, and keyIdentifierUnicode (or
    an object that contains them and has stringification magic)
    [recorded in
    [17]http://www.w3.org/2008/07/16-webapps-minutes.html#action01]

    [End of minutes]
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