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RE: Improving Communication and Expectations

From: Marc Silbey <marcsil@windows.microsoft.com>
Date: Wed, 18 Jun 2008 13:05:07 -0700
To: Marcos Caceres <marcosscaceres@gmail.com>
CC: Doug Schepers <schepers@w3.org>, Anne van Kesteren <annevk@opera.com>, "www-archive@w3.org" <www-archive@w3.org>, "public-webapps@w3.org" <public-webapps@w3.org>, Chris Wilson <Chris.Wilson@microsoft.com>
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Hey Marcos,

I totally understand why you would be frustrated by our behavior here.

I owe you, Anne, Art and the rest of the WAF group an apology for falling off the radar without telling you where I was going. I am definitely sorry for that.

I remember having good conversations with you and others at the Boston f2f on access control and then in email shortly after. I stopped attending WAF calls and we stopped giving feedback on access control for a long while so I can understand why you think we vanished to do our own thing. This was mostly due to the fact that my role in IE changed a little over a year ago and I started working more on accessibility (PF WG) and then at a different capacity altogether.

When I was active in WAF, it wasn't at all clear to me that members of the Web API WG intended to apply the WAF's access control model directly to XHR. As a result, I didn't make our XDR team aware of Web API's work. We want to avoid this in the future by having more IE folks participate in the various WGs. It also helps that Web API and WAF are merged now too.

I want to step back for a moment; I joined the IE team during our "rebirth" if you will. We largely have a new team of people working on IE now and you're starting to see some of us be a part of the W3C. I'll be the first to admit that we're making mistakes during our reentry into the standards conversation. We care deeply about our common web developer and we really want to work with you and others in the working groups to improve standards.

We're always open to constructive feedback on how we can better engage. I'm hopeful that we can work through the group's climate and technical issues together quickly. It goes without saying that we have a lot of respect for the folks in the group and so I'm also hopeful that our feedback will be taken seriously.

Best regards,
Marc

-----Original Message-----
From: public-webapps-request@w3.org [mailto:public-webapps-request@w3.org] On Behalf Of Marcos Caceres
Sent: Tuesday, June 17, 2008 5:20 PM
To: Chris Wilson
Cc: Doug Schepers; Anne van Kesteren; www-archive@w3.org; public-webapps@w3.org
Subject: Re: Improving Communication and Expectations


On Wed, Jun 18, 2008 at 9:20 AM, Chris Wilson
<Chris.Wilson@microsoft.com> wrote:
> You know, there is an idea that perhaps we're not IGNORING the work on Access Control, and perhaps we simply disagree with some of it.
>

Oh, I see. Well, it has been good to get feedback on which aspects you
guys disagree with now (better late than never, right?). It came as a
bit of a shock when you guys just put in a counter proposal when you'd
had every opportunity to participate in the development of this work
from early on. It was sad to see Marc Silbey drop off the radar in
regards to Access-Control over a year ago. If Microsoft would have
found the time to collaborate, all this stuff could have been resolved
progressively and the spec would probably be done by now (as has been
shown, the MS proposal has just as many issues, if not more, than the
Access-control spec; so trying to do it in-house did not yield a more
adequate solution). Anyway, that's all water under the bridge now.
Glad you guys are back at the table and hopefully we can get this out
soon. Hopefully you guys won't vanish again to do your own thing when
you don't agree with certain aspects of a spec.

--
Marcos Caceres
http://datadriven.com.au
http://standardssuck.org
Received on Wednesday, 18 June 2008 20:05:50 GMT

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