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Re: [testtwf-shenzhen] Need your input: Writing Webapps tests at TestTWF

From: Rebecca Hauck <rhauck@adobe.com>
Date: Fri, 6 Sep 2013 13:03:29 -0700
To: Arthur Barstow <art.barstow@nokia.com>, Kris Krueger <krisk@microsoft.com>, Aryeh Gregor <ayg@aryeh.name>, "Ms2ger @ Mozilla" <ms2ger@gmail.com>, Alex Kuang <Alex.Kuang@microsoft.com>, "Gary Kacmarcik ()" <garykac@chromium.org>
CC: "public-webapps-testsuite@w3.org" <public-webapps-testsuite@w3.org>, "public-testtwf-planning@w3.org" <public-testtwf-planning@w3.org>
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On 9/6/13 6:54 AM, "Arthur Barstow" <art.barstow@nokia.com> wrote:

>On 9/5/13 9:37 PM, ext Rebecca Hauck wrote:
>> Hi Webapps-testers,
>>
>> We're kicking off the planning for the next Test the Web Forward
>> event, which will be part of TPAC this year, held on Saturday,
>> November 9 at the same conference center, the Wuzhou Guest House. As
>> we develop the program, we're trying something different and reaching
>> out to all of the people in the working groups who have an active
>> interest and knowledge of the test suites.  We've created a mailing
>> list for these discussions: public-testtwf-planning@w3.org
>> <mailto:public-testtwf-planning@w3.org>.  If you respond to this
>> thread, feel free to drop the testsuite list from the To: line to if
>> you'd like to transfer conversations to the new planning list.
>>
>> We'd love your input!
>>
>>   * Which Webapps specs need the most love right now?
>>
>
>Hi Rebecca, All - thanks very much for your e-mail!

Thanks for jumping in with all of these pointers and for rallying the
Webapps troops! :)

>
>As to your question, it depends on what you mean by `love` in this
>context ;-).

Well the obvious part is of the question is what needs tests, but since
the ultimate goal for all of us is to advance the specs, your input about
the review bottlenecks is valuable. More on this below.

>
>As one can see from scanning the Testing column of WebApps' status page
><http://www.w3.org/2008/webapps/wiki/PubStatus>, there are many many
>testing related `opportunities`. I think the following specs/tasks are
>the `higher` priorities ...
>
>* WebIDL - we need someone to Review Cameron's tests
><http://w3c-test.org/web-platform-tests/submissions/271/WebIDL/tests/submi
>ssions/heycam/> 
>(aka <https://github.com/w3c/web-platform-tests/pull/271>).
>
>The lack of an approved test suite is one reason WebIDL is blocked from
>advancing to Proposed Recommendation and the lack of a PR is blocking
>other specs that have a normative reference for WebIDL. If test case
>review isn't within TTF's scope, that's unfortunate (albeit
>understandable) but if TTWF can help here (even if only some subset of
>tests are reviewed), we would greatly appreciate it.

Test review is certainly in scope for new tests written at the events,
which is why we enlist experts to be there (and for the last few, some
kind people in this WG have shown up in IRC). We haven't (yet) formed a
program around reviewing existing tests, though it's becoming more and
more clear that this is really where the need is moreso than new tests in
many cases. As you might imagine though, it wouldn't be realistic to
expect newcomers to jump into that. However, if a group people in from the
Webapps WG want to come and organize a test-reviewing project among
themselves, that would be great, as long as some of them were available to
new test authors for support and review of their tests during the event.
I'll wait to see what/who else emerges here. As I mentioned in my original
note, we'll do our best to help incorporate these suggestions, but can't
make any promises. It really depends on who steps up to lead the way.

BTW, Art, are you planning on being there?

>
>* IndexedDB - we have several `submissions` that need Review:
>
>1. Microsoft 
><http://w3c-test.org/web-platform-tests/master/IndexedDB/submissions/Micro
>soft/>. 
>This is PR <https://github.com/w3c/web-platform-tests/pull/64>.
>
>2. Ms2ger 
><http://w3c-test.org/web-platform-tests/master/IndexedDB/submissions/Ms2ge
>r/>. 
>This is PR <https://github.com/w3c/web-platform-tests/pull/65>.
>
>3. Opera 
><http://w3c-test.org/web-platform-tests/master/IndexedDB/submissions/Opera
>/>. 
>This is PR <https://github.com/w3c/web-platform-tests/pull/63>.
>
>4. TTWF-Paris 
><http://w3c-test.org/web-platform-tests/master/IndexedDB/submissions/TestT
>WF_Paris/>. 
>It appears these are PRs #66-#69
>
>(See also this tread
><http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-webapps-testsuite/2013Jul/0000
>.html>.)
>
>* File API - this spec should soon enter Last Call Working Draft. It has
>some submissions 
><http://w3c-test.org/web-platform-tests/master/FileAPI/tests/submissions/>
> 
>(PRs #53 and #54), at least six PRs from TTWF-Shanghai and PubStatus
>says it is "~20% complete". KrisK is the spec's Test Facilitator so it
>would be good to get his input re the priority tasks and plans for this
>test suite. For example, it's not clear if the existing coverage is
>reasonably good, where are the holes, etc.
>
>* DOM3 Events (moving toward a new LCWD) - Gary and Alex are the Test
>Facilitators and PubStatus says this test suite is "75% complete". Gary,
>Alex - what is the status of this test suite? If there are some testing
>gaps you think the TTWF people should address, please let us know the
>details.
>
>* DOM (4/Core) - Aryeh is the Test Facilitator and Ms2ger has been
>active. PubStatus says this test suite is "50% complete" [I don't recall
>the provenance of that number ;-)]. Aryeh, Ms2ger - what is the status
>of this test suite? If there are some testing gaps you think the TTWF
>people should address, please let us know the details.
>
>Lastly, although WebApps will accept tests for any of its specs, I think
>our coverage for the specs listed in the following document is what I
>will call `reasonable as is` <http://www.w3.org/wiki/Webapps/Interop>.
>
>If others within WebApps have feedback, please speak up.
>
>-Thanks, ArtB
>
>
>>   * Are you planning on being at TPAC and able to come support new
>>     test authors? (If we've already contacted you individually, you
>>     can skip this part  but still welcome your input on the rest of
>>this)
>>   * If you aren't able to attend, are you in a timezone that is
>>     conducive to being online to review tests during the event?
>>   * Do you have any other suggestions to test hacking projects at the
>>     event? (for example, are there any existing suites out there that
>>     could be converted and/or contributed to the W3C?)
>>
>> Extra awesome if you have something to contribute here AND you speak
>> or write Chinese.
>>
>> Please note that we'll do our best to incorporate your feedback, but
>> it will depend on how well we can support a particular testing area at
>> the event with experts, reviewers, sample materials, etc.  If you do
>> give us suggestions, we'll likely follow up with you for help in
>> getting them into the program.
>>
>> Also, you may soon see that I'm sending a similar email to some of the
>> other test suite lists. Sorry for the duplicate mails if you're
>> subscribed to the others; I wanted to keep threads somewhat separated
>> by WG/topic.
>>
>> Thanks in advance for your input. 'Hope to you see you in Shenzhen!
>>
>> Cheers,
>> -Rebecca & the Test the Web Forward Team
>
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