Re: [w3c/webcomponents] Generic programs can't reliably use/manipulate documents via the DOM (#640)

@rniwa I have a different proposal: how about user agents treat the built-in standard HTML elements in a special way (by closing their shadow DOM) and make all other shadow DOM open.

This would meet the original requirements of having closed shadow DOM for UA elements but solve all the problems that you are explaining away by (and I am paraphrasing your posts) essentially telling people either not to use shadow DOM, not to use closed shadow DOM (collaborate) or simply not to implement their application the way they would like to.

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