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Re: Japan launches ID-system

From: Anders Rundgren <anders.rundgren.net@gmail.com>
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 2015 06:35:33 +0200
To: Colin Gallagher <colingallagher.rpcv@gmail.com>
Cc: public-web-security@w3.org
Message-ID: <5614A115.7070804@gmail.com>
On 2015-10-07 00:41, Colin Gallagher wrote:
> I object to being identified as a citizen as a legal requirement.

The alternative in most places is living "off the grid".
"Imagine there's no countries" (J.Lennon) is another more utopian vision.

>
> I realize some corporation-states will increasingly adopt such measures,
 > for example the US has different technological tools, such as eVerify
 > which serve certain purposes of checking citizenship or residency
 > requirements with respect to work applicants in a background process.

It is rather taxation that is the ground for state-owned identity systems.
I guess the first documented such system is in the Christian bible :-)


 > At the same time, the OECD predicts that by 2020, 2/3rds of the world's
 > workers will be in the global underground economy (systemD). This
 > system does not operate based upon your notions of "citizenship" or
 > classical identity and reputation which have been significantly
 > shifting for many years.

Citizenship is probably getting less important while taxation, schools,
and health presumably won't disappear.


>    Best not to have your heads in the sand about it. Say goodbye to
 >    standard identity as well as the dominance of the state in matters of identity.

In reality Google is the by far leading provider of standard identities since regardless
if you register for social benefits in a country or ask for access to a W3C mailing list,
you need  a verified e-mail address which is nothing but a globally unique, fairly static,
and searchable identifier.

A citizen ID OTOH typically has a much more limited scope because the commercial world
most of all want your credit-card and then optionally your e-mail address in order
to "inform" you of new things to buy.

The problem with data associated with citizen IDs IMO doesn't really have a technical
solution (well, logging access to sensitive data is an important feature), it is more
related to trust and regulations in the public sector.

That is, if the public sector is not trustworthy you probably have much bigger
problems than citizen IDs, including non-working justice and health-care systems
as well as suppression of dissidents, homosexuals, certain ethnic groups, etc.

Anders Rundgren
Who have been working with eID since the late nineties.

>
> Ciao
>
> On Oct 6, 2015 12:25 PM, "Anders Rundgren" <anders.rundgren.net@gmail.com <mailto:anders.rundgren.net@gmail.com>> wrote:
>
>     http://www.securitydocumentworld.com/article-details/i/12350/
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>     A citizen identity system is a prerequisite for a cost-efficient eID.
>
>     France doesn't have such a system which creates ridiculous amounts of paperwork, stamps and copies of electricity bills.
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>     Having used eID for a decade I can attest that it works pretty well.  The latest incarnation in Sweden have turned to "Apps" after Google and Microsoft decided to cripple the Web by outlawing plugins.
>
>     Anders
>
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