[minutes] Oct 10 teleconf

Hi,

The minutes of our teleconference today are available at:
http://www.w3.org/2013/10/10-webmob-minutes.html

and copied as text below.

Please send corrections to the list.

Cheers,

Dom

   [1]W3C

      [1] http://www.w3.org/

              Web and Mobile Interest Group Teleconference

10 Oct 2013

   [2]Agenda

      [2]
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-web-mobile/2013Sep/0133.html

   See also: [3]IRC log

      [3] http://www.w3.org/2013/10/10-webmob-irc

Attendees

   Present
          dom, dka, jo, KayFritz, schuki, stakagi,
          +1.908.559.aadd, jsmanrique

   Regrets
          Rob

   Chair
          natasha

   Scribe
          jo

Contents

     * [4]Topics
         1. [5]welcome
         2. [6]Modus Operandi
         3. [7]Closing the Gap
         4. [8]Taxonomy Document
         5. [9]What is Mobile?
         6. [10]Standards for Web in Mobile
         7. [11]TPAC Update
         8. [12]CoreMob Report 2012
         9. [13]AOB
     * [14]Summary of Action Items
     __________________________________________________________

welcome

   natasha: welcomes all to call and introduces herself

   … agenda:
   [15]http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-web-mobile/2013S
   ep/0133.html

     [15]
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-web-mobile/2013Sep/0133.html

   … all newcomers please look at group home page

   <dom> [16]WebMob home page

     [16] http://www.w3.org/Mobile/IG/

   … also please look at wiki, which is linked from home page

   … lots of good stuff, which we have been working on

   <schuki> [17]http://www.w3.org/wiki/Mobile/Methods_of_Work#IRC

     [17] http://www.w3.org/wiki/Mobile/Methods_of_Work#IRC

Modus Operandi

   natasha: stole some of the content from WebApps and Gov Linked
   Data

   … al the details we were talking about last calll

   … gitHub, Tracker and more

   scribe: e.g. irc and so on

   … and finally, chairs have been scribing so far, please make
   sure you volunteer!

Closing the Gap

   <dom> [18]Closing the gap report

     [18]
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-web-mobile/2013Oct/0003.html

   dom: sent a mail to list with pointers to my work so far

   … wanted to talk about tit and get feedback or commitment to
   feedback

   … last spring there was the headlight task force. Intended to
   analyse the situation wrt WebApps vs Native Apps

   … have tried to formalise some of the discussion into a
   framework so we can further the discussion

   … I'd like the IG to be the host for this discussion

   … and that the analysis feeds our agenda ongoing

   … as an end user how do you perceive a Web app as opposed to a
   native app, what are the SWOT, 3 docs discuss

   <dom> [19]UX comparison framework

     [19]
http://w3c-webmob.github.io/gap-analysis/ux-comparison-framework.html

   … first doc looks at just the user experience of mobile apps

   <dom> [20]WebApps UX

     [20] http://w3c-webmob.github.io/gap-analysis/ux-webapps.html

   … second doc carries out an analysis of WebApps against this
   framework

   … analysis is less consensual / more subjective at the moment

   … think it needs attention

   … third doc is a sketch of a set of actions to either reduce
   weaknesses or reinfoce the strengths

   <dom> [21]UX Action plans

     [21] http://w3c-webmob.github.io/gap-analysis/ux-actions.html

   … this set of three docs takes end-user perspective and helps
   to set the scene for evolution in a positive direction

   <dom> [22]Comparison framework for providers

     [22]
http://w3c-webmob.github.io/gap-analysis/provider-comparison-framework.html

   … the second set of three docs does the same thing, but from a
   service provider perspective

   … a) comparison framework, b) strengths and weaknesses against
   this framework

   <dom> [23]Gap analysis from provider perspective

     [23] http://w3c-webmob.github.io/gap-analysis/provider-webapps.html

   … people who are service or content providers can particularly
   look at this

   <dom> [24]Action plan for improving provider perspective

     [24] http://w3c-webmob.github.io/gap-analysis/provider-actions.html

   … c) the third doc is similarly to the first set some suggested
   actions in respect of service providers

   … quite lengthy hope it is useful

   … in a new repo on our Github account:

   <dom> [25]Github repo

     [25] https://github.com/w3c-webmob/gap-analysis

   … would be good to publicise to get further input e.g. from the
   browser community

   … next steps, would like to hear feedback from people who have
   read it, or just a commitment to read it

   … thanks Jo for reading and feeding back, (I haven't read what
   you wrote)

   jo: :-)

   dom: feedback from the group would be useful

   natasha: any questions, or feedback

   <KayFritz> At least I can commit to reading it in the next
   weeks and give feedback

   jo: thinks it is really useful, and think it would be a good
   idea to set some deadlines on getting feedback

   natasha: agree, volunteers please?

   … everyone should read and feedback through mailing list and
   volunteer

   dom: volunteers … most welcome, and with a well-defined
   deadline

   <KayFritz> I commit to feedback until 24.October

   … getting input would be a good way to get more input so ...

   … let's dish out some action items

   <dom> ACTION: Kay to review closing the gap report - due
   October 24 [recorded in
   [26]http://www.w3.org/2013/10/10-webmob-minutes.html#action01]

   <trackbot> Created ACTION-53 - Review closing the gap report
   [on Kay Fritz - due 2013-10-24].

   <schuki> dom: sign me up for 24th oct too!

   <dka> I will get some feedback to you - please assign me an
   action.

   <dom> ACTION: Natasha to review closing the gap report - due
   October 24 [recorded in
   [27]http://www.w3.org/2013/10/10-webmob-minutes.html#action02]

   <trackbot> Created ACTION-54 - Review closing the gap report
   [on Natasha Rooney - due 2013-10-24].

   jo: noting that manrique volunteers also

   natasha: how do you want feedback?

   dom: a) do a pull request for edits that you think would be
   usefu
   ... especially for editorial changes

   … b) feedback by email also work

   dom: limited feedback from Natasha and Jo that this makes
   sense, no sense that anyone else either supports the approach
   or doesn't

Taxonomy Document

   dom: have not got much feedback on this

   … this one is quite short, maybe too short to be useful, but
   need feedback that it is not useful if people think that

   … try to make sure we're talking about the same thing when we
   do talk in detail. Any comments? Anyone read it?

   jo: (speaks at length) but says that the discussion could be
   usefully deferred till we have discussed the documents above,
   since it needs to be framed in the light of what comes out of
   that discussion

What is Mobile?

   <dom> [28]Paper on Charter Scope Clarification and Context
   Relevant/Multi Device

     [28]
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-web-mobile/2013Oct/0005.html

   <dom>
   [29]http://w3c-webmob.github.io/w3c-webmob-what-is-mobile/note.
   html

     [29]
http://w3c-webmob.github.io/w3c-webmob-what-is-mobile/note.html

   <dom> A note on the meaning of "mobile" and relationship to the
   Webmob Charter

   <dom> [30]A note on the meaning of "mobile" and relationship to
   the Webmob Charter

     [30]
http://w3c-webmob.github.io/w3c-webmob-what-is-mobile/note.html

   jo: discussion is mainly about the contextual factors that vary
   between any delivery context

   … provides a framework for looking at the differences between
   delivery contexts

   natasha: please provide any comments

   dka: to reiterate … we should be getting on in attacking the
   iussue

   … how to make the Web the platform of choice

   …understanding that when we talk mobile

   … expectation that people have that using internet services on
   the phone is about using apps

   dom: I could use clarification

   … do you see the earlier documents under discussion as meaning
   addressing head on

   dka: how we are talking about mobile is divorced from the
   reality

   … would like to see us more forthright

   … want to see us being more forthright in making the Web the
   platform of choice

   jo: agree with the idea of "platform of choice" but for what?
   in what circumstances?

   <stakagi> I also think that it is also mobile web to enable it
   to apply common contents and application, Regardless of a
   context[.

   … think would be a good idea for people to read the doc and
   then disagree with it rather than the other way round

   <schuki> [31]http://www.w3.org/Mobile/mobile-web-app-state/

     [31] http://www.w3.org/Mobile/mobile-web-app-state/

Standards for Web in Mobile

   natasha: my favourite page on the Internet, don't like anything
   more than this

   … very useful and allows us to monitor many things … and I am
   volunteering to help Dom keep document updated

   … if you'd like to volunteer ...

   … for many of the various topic ...

   … (Natasha lists the kitchen sink) …

   … recent one has been released recently

   <schuki> schuki: lol jo

   dom: latest is Oct 1 - has a couple new features

   <schuki> schuki: i really do love this doc

   … some indication of the level of editorial activity, lets
   readers get some kind of idea if anything is happen

   <dom> ACTION: Dom to document how to contribute to Mobile Web
   App State doc [recorded in
   [32]http://www.w3.org/2013/10/10-webmob-minutes.html#action03]

   <trackbot> Created ACTION-55 - Document how to contribute to
   mobile web app state doc [on Dominique Hazaël-Massieux - due
   2013-10-17].

   … thanks Natasha for offering to help

   … I'll provide more details as to how to do help

   … help could be to point out out missing/wrong etc.

   … but I'll set up a process for contributing

   … meanwhile, just contribute away

   nastasha: if you work in a specific area then that's where you
   can offer most help

   … very useful document

TPAC Update

   <schuki>
   [33]http://www.w3.org/wiki/Mobile/TPAC_Face-to-Face#Agenda

     [33] http://www.w3.org/wiki/Mobile/TPAC_Face-to-Face#Agenda

   natasha: updates to the agenda at wiki

   … need to make some changes in response to feedback from chairs

   … hoping that people are able to attend

   … pls let me know if you plan to be there but not on a day that
   a topic of particular relevance to you will be discussed

   … Context Relevant Use Cases, needs some words, and on Testing
   Tobie has detailed what he'll be talking about

   <Zakim> dom, you wanted to ask for input/feedback on draft
   agenda

   dom: just want to be clear that this is a proposed agenda that
   we are looking for feedback

   <dka> I will join the f2f.

   … need clear documentation as to desired outcome of the
   session, need people to be prepared and to have read relevant
   docs

   natasha: want comments - offering Cadbury's Dairy Milk etc for
   first up with comments

CoreMob Report 2012

   jo: one web.

   <dom> jo: this document represents our analysis of use cases
   that have been hard to put in place at a point in time

   <dom> ... the difficulty might be linked to standardization
   status, or implementation status, or testing

   <dom> ... I'm not sure how to best proceed with this document,
   esp. in light of dom's standards state document

   <dom> ... It would probably be worthwhile to document evolution
   since 8 months ago

   dom: I think it would be useful to look back and identify what
   has changed

   … some of the requirements that were not addressed though
   specification availability has moved on

   … think it would be useful to look at features, why they are
   not getting traction, why they don't meet the needs etc.

   … might be idealistic, but would be good to look at whether /
   why the technology meets the needs

   … work won't get done if none does it, so who feels motivated
   to work on it?

   … propose a more detailed plan to take the agenda forwards

   Natasha: last time I looked at the document

   … cross over with docs we are working on

   … is there a one line distinction as to why we should be doing
   this alongside other things

   … what is the aim of the document?

   dom: it's a look at a set of use cases are important to mobile
   use cases and what specifications provide features to address
   the use cases

   … looks at only a subset of possible use cases

   … doc provides prioritisation, over and above what the other
   doc does

   …. hence a useful driver

   … for features critical we need a more detailed analysis

   natasha: need focus on this and need use case first

   … have dedicated a large chunk of time to this report at TPAC

   … hoping we can attach actions to that

AOB

   natasha: hearing none, time to close, thanks to all

   … also to Dom for talking so much

   meeting closed

Summary of Action Items

   [NEW] ACTION: Dom to document how to contribute to Mobile Web
   App State doc [recorded in
   [34]http://www.w3.org/2013/10/10-webmob-minutes.html#action03]
   [NEW] ACTION: Kay to review closing the gap report - due
   October 24 [recorded in
   [35]http://www.w3.org/2013/10/10-webmob-minutes.html#action01]
   [NEW] ACTION: Natasha to review closing the gap report - due
   October 24 [recorded in
   [36]http://www.w3.org/2013/10/10-webmob-minutes.html#action02]

   [End of minutes]

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