[webtv] minutes - 17 December 2015

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Kazuyuki

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   [1]W3C

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                               Web&TV IG

17 Dec 2015

   [2]Agenda

      [2]
https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Member/member-web-and-tv/2015Dec/0001.html

   See also: [3]IRC log

      [3] http://www.w3.org/2015/12/17-webtv-irc

Attendees

   Present
          Kaz_Ashimura, Bill_Rose, Colin_Meerveld,
          Glenn_Goldstein, Kazuhiro_Hoya, Lauri_Ilola,
          Mark_Vickers, Giuseppe_Pascale, Bin_Hu,
          Karen_Myers

   Regrets
   Chair
          Mark

   Scribe
          kaz

Contents

     * [4]Topics
         1. [5]review of f2f discussion
         2. [6]action items from the f2f
     * [7]Summary of Action Items
     * [8]Summary of Resolutions
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review of f2f discussion

   mark: the purpose is reviewing what happened at TPAC

   ->
   [9]https://www.w3.org/2011/webtv/wiki/Face-to-face_meeting_duri
   ng_TPAC_2015 TPAC f2f agenda wiki

      [9]
https://www.w3.org/2011/webtv/wiki/Face-to-face_meeting_during_TPAC_2015

   mark: slides are available on the wiki
   ... overview I presented covers the history
   ... some of the topics coming up as well
   ... TV Control API
   ... presented by Sean Lin
   ... it is a Community Group spec
   ... reviewed before TPAC
   ... got interest from web developers
   ... also from browser developers and standard groups like ATSC
   ... who sent a liaison letter
   ... there is interest to move that to a WG
   ... to bring the spec to standard
   ... is there further update about the spec?

   bin: yes
   ... we officially published the spec v 1.0
   ... also generating a draft charter
   ... transition ongoing

   -> [10]http://www.w3.org/2015/tvapi/ TV Control API v1.0 spec

     [10] http://www.w3.org/2015/tvapi/

   -> [11]http://w3c.github.io/charter-drafts/tvcontrol-2015.html
   draft WG charter

     [11] http://w3c.github.io/charter-drafts/tvcontrol-2015.html

   bin: also BBC and automotive TF are interested in working for
   the v2 use cases

   mark: great
   ... anybody interested is welcome to work for the group
   discussion?

   bin: yes
   ... everybody welcome to join the group and participate in the
   discussion on the public list

   karen: wondered if there is any specific company interested in
   W3C CES suite?

   bin: let's talk about that offline later

   <Karen> karen@w3.org

   karen: put her email address

   mark: liaison for the CG discussed with the Web&TV IG
   ... Bin sent a detailed response to ATSC
   ... all the questions are mentioned by the response
   ... any more questions on TV Control API CG?

   (none)

   mark: move on
   ... GGIE task force
   ... Glenn Deen is the moderator
   ... the GG TF is an active TF with 20 participants
   ... working for requirements document
   ... detailed overview and next steps provided

   glenn: gap analysis and requirements
   ... spoked with IETF in Yokohama
   ... heads-up on what need to be handled
   ... new group named GIVE
   ... looking at content delivery
   ... what standards exist, etc.
   ... what W3C is doing, etc.

   mark: formal standardization organization
   ... CTA formerly CEA

   glenn: set up interoperability discussion
   ... plugfest to consider what to standardize
   ... particularly focused HTML5-based video delivery

   mark: update after new years?

   glenn: yes, after CES
   ... not on my schedule yet, though

   mark: any questions?

   karen: same question would talk about offline
   ... who wants to see more engaged in GG work

   glenn: would see W3C setting up liaison
   ... number of crossed members

   karen: content providers?
   ... who is missing?

   glenn: number of people
   ... Comcast, etc.
   ... TV manufacturers involved
   ... giving a presentation at CES
   ... Thu. 7th Jan.

   mark: 10am local time
   ... in the LV convention center S105

   karen: tx

   mark: anything else?

   (none)

   mark: next topic is summary on update on sourcing in-band media
   resource tracks
   ... CG created out of the Web&TV IG discussion
   ... Bob Lund and Silvia Phifer
   ... that spec is basically a series of media transport
   ... MPEG Transport, etc.
   ... HTML5 data access
   ... every HTML5 UA provides access for data stream
   ... mapped with the same way
   ... referenced by the HTML5 spec
   ... it's also possible to be extended
   ... further for HLS, etc.
   ... not sure if the spec is published as a final spec
   ... referenced from the HTML5 spec
   ... any questions?

   (none)

   mark: then we had a sort of seminar session
   ... update on use of Web platform
   ... adapted in the TV world
   ... update on some of them
   ... Giuseppe presented HbbTV
   ... Hybridcast by NHK
   ... DLNA by Mark
   ... RDK
   ... and ATSC 3.0 by Giri
   ... HTML5 usage for external specs
   ... feel free to provide further update
   ... would expect there will be some commercial products at CES
   ... questions?

   (none)

   mark: moving along
   ... update on 2 important specs, MSE and EME
   ... JavaScript APIs for adaptive video for media streaming
   ... and media decryption capability
   ... widely implemented
   ... work continuing
   ... EME has more open bugs
   ... expected to fixed in 2016
   ... very active thread in the HTML media TF
   ... since TPAC, reorganization on HTML work
   ... HTML WG and WebApps WG held discussion on the central Web
   technology
   ... have become the Web Platform WG
   ... and separate Web Media Extension WG
   ... currently under vote by the AC
   ... extending the HTML WG and rename it to the Web Media
   Extension WG
   ... MSE/EME to be completed
   ... under vote now
   ... AC reps to vote
   ... please contact your AC reps and ask them to respond
   ... please do vote on that!

   <Karen> +1 Mark for bringing up the topic

   mark: next topic: Timed Text WG update by Nigel
   ... rechartering for the group
   ... looking into the charter process
   ... not sure whether it's completed or still ongoing

   giuseppe: thought already rechartered

   karen: see Nigel on the IRC but not on the call

   -> [12]http://www.w3.org/2014/03/timed-text-charter.html timed
   text wg charter

     [12] http://www.w3.org/2014/03/timed-text-charter.html

   karen: second version of TTML
   ... we were belatedly aware that W3C's TTML is awarded at Emmy
   in January
   ... excited with this news
   ... PLH will accept the award

   mark: congrats!
   ... recognition for the good work
   ... some new work there

   karen: IMSC?

   mark: right

   <Karen> Pierre-Anthony Lemieux from MovieLabs submitted a TTML
   Text and Image Profiles for Internet Media Subtitles and
   Captions 1.0 (IMSC11)

   mark: great job for Emmy

   karen: HBO, Netflix, SIMPTE, etc.

   <Karen> Telestream are also honorees in the category of:
   "Standardization and Pioneering Development of Non-Live
   Broadband Captioning"

   mark: next is takeaways from the Web&Digital Marketing WS
   ... by Wendy
   ... maybe somebody has comments?
   ... you can find slides on that
   ... and could contact Wendy
   ... next: updates from the Second Screen Presentation WG
   ... Louay gave presentation
   ... gathering interest in browser support
   ... move on

   <Karen> For Digital Marketing:
   [13]https://docs.google.com/document/d/1oRWicOffMfGNEBRHcNgtItp
   kFCgXar949QdOYz4S1g0/edit

     [13]
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1oRWicOffMfGNEBRHcNgtItpkFCgXar949QdOYz4S1g0/edit

   mark: very interesting presentation on test runner
   ... W3C Web Platform Test doesn't work with TV very well
   ... discussion and demonstration on adapting platform test
   runner to TV
   ... great work
   ... questions?
   ... Yosuke, any update?

   yosuke: clarifying the requirements
   ... to improve the mainstream test runner
   ... adapting it to TVs
   ... would upload to the GitHub shortly
   ... contacted test runner writers
   ... planning to write a W3C blog entry on that

   mark: great
   ... tx for the update
   ... very impressive demo
   ... lot of inclusions in TVs which should go into HTML5

   kaz: agree this is important and should be useful to improve
   the test runner for vehicle API by the Automotive WG, etc.

   mark: would be great to have a video on the blog post

   yosuke: great idea
   ... would try

   mark: any question?

   (none)

   mark: next
   ... Multi Device Timing CG
   ... the spec and implementations are very tightly tied together
   ... good demonstration at TPAC
   ... recently call for interest
   ... much interest in multiple devices
   ... would more IG people to work on that
   ... next: Cloud Browser APIs TF
   ... cloud browsers have different approaches
   ... decided to have a TF to standardize them
   ... create a Cloud Browser APIs TF
   ... GGIE also continues
   ... one week after
   ... cloud browser TF is well-prepared
   ... got right people and timing
   ... will get strong requirements document
   ... may go into a new CG or some existing WG
   ... transitioning to WG
   ... encourage people to participate in the TF in January

   karen: not sure if Colin introduced himself

   mark: great

   colin: working for ActiveVideo
   ... virtualization of video stream
   ... focus on APIs

   <Karen> Welcome, Colin!

   mark: great
   ... overall goal of the Cloud Browser APIs TF is having
   standard API
   ... for multiple different implementations
   ... different server implementations as well
   ... makes a lot sense
   ... pleased to have your expertise

action items from the f2f

   mark: the first agenda item is TV Control API
   ... Sean Lin to email IG inviting review of the spec
   ... GGIE TF
   ... continue the current work
   ... world wide TV specs
   ... Mark to start new Web Media Profile CG
   ... continue joint work

   kaz: so not create a new CG but continue the work within the
   IG?

   mark: yes
   ... might need a bit different mechanism but would continue our
   work
   ... ATSC 3.0 as mentioned
   ... MSE/EME updates and potential implementations

   yosuke: talked with NHK
   ... and they've issued issues on MSE/EME

   mark: Timed Text WG update
   ... Nigel to email IG
   ... takeaways from digital marketing ws

   yosuke: will do

   mark: updates from second screen wg
   ... IG review
   ... test runner for TV
   ... Tomo-Digi to send list
   ... Multi Device Timing CG
   ... Francois to email IG
   ... Cloud Browser APIs
   ... create a TF
   ... that's all from the f2f at TPAC

   <Karen> W3C at suite #310 at CES :)

   [ adjourned ]

Summary of Action Items

Summary of Resolutions

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