Re: Set of software

Bruce,

Yes, this is what I would prefer. "set of webpages" = "software" is my
preferred interpretation but that would re-open the debate of what is a
"page" within a software product. And we haven't been able to agree on a
proper interpretation of what would be the "within-software" concept that
would be equivalent to "page"...

So I'm afraid that we need to use "set of software".

Best regards,
Loïc


On Thu, Jan 17, 2013 at 1:08 PM, Bailey, Bruce <Bailey@access-board.gov>wrote:

>  Speaking to both Loïc’s and Pierce’s points, it is not changing the SC
> and not ignoring the word “set” to conclude that, in the context of
> software and these success criteria, “set of webpages” should be
> interpreted as “software”.  This would result in guidance that is both
> more intuitive and stronger.
>
>
>  ------------------------------
> *From:* Loïc Martínez Normand [loic@fi.upm.es]
> *Sent:* Thursday, January 17, 2013 6:29 AM
> *To:* Crowell, Pierce
> *Cc:* public-wcag2ict-tf@w3.org Force
> *Subject:* Re: Set of software
>
>   Dear all,
>
>  First of all I know that we can't change the SC and that we can't ignore
> the word "set", so I'm afraid we have to live with this... even if I really
> think that we are missing essential accessibility requirements within
> software products. But I'm afraid there is no other way out of this that to
> have this definition of "set of documents".
>
>  Concerning the definition, in the slides there are
> two slightly different proposals (slides 2 and 3), and it seems to me that
> the notes are mixed (note 2 in slide 3 only makes sense for the definition
> in slide 2). Gregg, which one are you proposing that we agree on?
>
>  Best regards,
> Loïc
>
>
> On Wed, Jan 16, 2013 at 2:52 PM, Crowell, Pierce <Pierce.Crowell@ssa.gov>wrote:
>
>>  Most of us gov folks cannot access DropBox.  Can you send another way?**
>> **
>>
>> ****
>>
>> That we are to hunting for an example is telling.  I am not relieved by
>> the notion that it won’t come up much.  What it means to me is that it will
>> be confusing and probably misused by the uninitiated.  ****
>>
>> ****
>>
>> Pierce****
>>
>> ****
>>
>> *From:* Gregg Vanderheiden [mailto:gv@trace.wisc.edu]
>> *Sent:* Tuesday, January 15, 2013 11:49 PM
>> *To:* public-wcag2ict-tf@w3.org Force
>> *Subject:* Set of software****
>>
>> ****
>>
>> ****
>>
>> We have only 4 SC left ****
>>
>> ****
>>
>> all of the deal with sets****
>>
>> ****
>>
>> we resolved the document side by defining set of documents.****
>>
>> ****
>>
>> For the software side a "set of software" was proposed but there was a
>> question raised as to whether there was software that met that the
>> definition.****
>>
>> ****
>>
>> I raised the question during a briefing in WCAG meeting and Robin Tuttle
>> from Boing spoke up and said that she had worked on software that met the
>> definition. ****
>>
>> ****
>>
>> She scheduled a  meeting when people said they wanted to see it -- but no
>> one made it. So I asked her for screen shots.   ****
>>
>> ****
>>
>> Here is a link to a powerpoint of the software.  ****
>>
>> ****
>>
>> https://dl.dropbox.com/u/13132127/Set%20of%20Software.4a.pptx****
>>
>> ****
>>
>> ****
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>> ****
>>
>> I would like to again propose that we just adopt the definition of
>> software that we developed and close these last 4 items. ****
>>
>> ****
>>
>> There may not be many examples of this -- but it wasn’t hard to find the
>> first one.     Just a poll of the two working groups turned up one. ****
>>
>> ****
>>
>> At any rate, we all agree that there don't seem to be many -- so this one
>> won't come up very often.   And we all agree that we would not make this
>> guideline for sets of software if we were making guidelines (but would
>> instead talk about inside the software).   But we were told we can't change
>> the SC or ignore the word set... so I propose we adopt the definition since
>> there are such things, and close these. ****
>>
>> ****
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>> ****
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>> ****
>>
>> *Gregg*****
>>
>> --------------------------------------------------------****
>>
>> Gregg Vanderheiden Ph.D.
>> Director Trace R&D Center
>> Professor Industrial & Systems Engineering
>> and Biomedical Engineering University of Wisconsin-Madison****
>>
>> Technical Director - Cloud4all Project - http://Cloud4all.info
>> Co-Director, Raising the Floor - International -
>> http://Raisingthefloor.org
>> and the Global Public Inclusive Infrastructure Project -  http://GPII.net
>> ****
>>
>> ****
>>
>
>
>
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> Loïc Martínez-Normand
> DLSIIS. Facultad de Informática
> Universidad Politécnica de Madrid
> Campus de Montegancedo
> 28660 Boadilla del Monte
> Madrid
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> e-mail: loic@fi.upm.es
> tfno: +34 91 336 74 11
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Loïc Martínez-Normand
DLSIIS. Facultad de Informática
Universidad Politécnica de Madrid
Campus de Montegancedo
28660 Boadilla del Monte
Madrid
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e-mail: loic@fi.upm.es
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