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Re: About ISO 9241-171 (Re: WCAG2ICT Meeting minutes for 18-Sept-2011)

From: Loïc Martínez Normand <loic@fi.upm.es>
Date: Wed, 19 Sep 2012 23:46:31 +0200
Message-ID: <CAJpUyznc7dmpZpQ7VFPQxkw9e0DB4Bk5=0uP_Q+06y_sOOJ6KQ@mail.gmail.com>
To: Andi Snow-Weaver <andisnow@us.ibm.com>
Cc: "Hoffman, Allen" <Allen.Hoffman@hq.dhs.gov>, Mary Jo Mueller <maryjom@us.ibm.com>, "public-wcag2ict-tf@w3.org" <public-wcag2ict-tf@w3.org>
Hi,

Andi, thank you for the clarification. I knew that it was a comment that
wasn't agreed but my email was not clear enough. My intention has only been
to provide an "insider's view" of what was the intent on ISO 9241-171 with
respect to regulation.

Best regards,
Loïc

On Wed, Sep 19, 2012 at 3:28 PM, Andi Snow-Weaver <andisnow@us.ibm.com>wrote:

> Just to clarify. That was a comment that was made in the meeting but is
> not being proposed as a reply to the public comment we received with regard
> to other standards.
>
> Thanks for the additional viewpoints.
>
> Remember that decisions are recorded as "RESOLUTIONs" in the minutes. All
> other text is just notes to help us remember important points brought up in
> our discussions but should never be taken as the consensus position of the
> task force.
>
> Andi
>
>
>
> [image: Inactive hide details for "Hoffman, Allen" ---09/19/2012 07:50:38
> AM---Completely agree with this. p.s.]"Hoffman, Allen" ---09/19/2012
> 07:50:38 AM---Completely agree with this. p.s.
>
> From: "Hoffman, Allen" <Allen.Hoffman@HQ.DHS.GOV>
> To: Loïc Martínez Normand <loic@fi.upm.es>, Mary Jo
> Mueller/Austin/IBM@IBMUS
> Cc: "public-wcag2ict-tf@w3.org" <public-wcag2ict-tf@w3.org>
> Date: 09/19/2012 07:50 AM
> Subject: RE: About ISO 9241-171 (Re: WCAG2ICT Meeting minutes for
>  18-Sept-2011)
> ------------------------------
>
>
>
> Completely agree with this.
>
> p.s.
>
> WCAG is not written well for regulatory usage in my opinion either.
>  Regulation is different than “guidance”.
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* Loïc Martínez Normand [mailto:loic@fi.upm.es <loic@fi.upm.es>] *
> Sent:* Wednesday, September 19, 2012 8:44 AM*
> To:* Mary Jo Mueller*
> Cc:* public-wcag2ict-tf@w3.org*
> Subject:* About ISO 9241-171 (Re: WCAG2ICT Meeting minutes for
> 18-Sept-2011)
>
>
>
> Dear all,
>
>
>
> Sorry for not being very active in WCAG2ICT, but these days I cannot fit
> my schedule to be able to better participate. In addition to M376 work I
> have plenty of academic related issues due to the beginning of classes.
>
>
>
> I've just read the minutes from yesterday's meeting and there is one
> sentence that is very strange to me: "171 was not written as a standard
> that could be enforced through regulation. It was designed as a collection
> of good things to do."
>
>
>
> To me, as one of the members of the ISO WG that drafted this standard,
> this affirmation is wrong because ISO 9241-171 is written as a proper
> standard and contains both requirements (shalls) and recommendations
> (shoulds) and it was written with regulation in mind (in fact that is the
> reason that forced us to have requirements).
>
>
>
> The introduction of ISO 9241-171 even says (emphasis is mine): "... this
> part of ISO 9241 addresses the increasing need to consider social and *legislative
> *demands for ensuring accessibility..." and, as part of the user groups
> of the Standard, it includes "buyers, who will reference this part of ISO
> 9241 during product *procurement*".
>
>
>
> And the scope of 9241-171 says (emphasis is mine): "It is intended for use
> by those responsible for the specification, design, development, evaluation
> and *procurement* of software platforms and software applications".
>
>
>
> So I think that we cannot use the idea of ISO 9241-171 not being
> enforceable through legislation as a proper reply to the comments received
> to the WCAG2ICT draft.
>
>
>
> Best regards,
>
> Loïc
>
>
>
> On Tue, Sep 18, 2012 at 10:40 PM, Mary Jo Mueller <*maryjom@us.ibm.com*<maryjom@us.ibm.com>>
> wrote:
>
> Here's today's meeting minutes: *
> www.w3.org/2012/09/18-wcag2ict-minutes.html*<http://www.w3.org/2012/09/18-wcag2ict-minutes.html>
>
>
> Best regards,
>
> Mary Jo Mueller
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> Loïc Martínez-Normand
> DLSIIS. Facultad de Informática
> Universidad Politécnica de Madrid
> Campus de Montegancedo
> 28660 Boadilla del Monte
> Madrid
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> e-mail: *loic@fi.upm.es* <loic@fi.upm.es>
> tfno: +34 91 336 74 11
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Loïc Martínez-Normand
DLSIIS. Facultad de Informática
Universidad Politécnica de Madrid
Campus de Montegancedo
28660 Boadilla del Monte
Madrid
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e-mail: loic@fi.upm.es
tfno: +34 91 336 74 11
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