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Re: Action Item #20

From: Peter Korn <peter.korn@oracle.com>
Date: Wed, 27 Jun 2012 13:50:57 -0700
Message-ID: <4FEB7231.7020300@oracle.com>
To: "Crowell, Pierce" <Pierce.Crowell@ssa.gov>
CC: "'public-wcag2ict-tf@w3.org'" <public-wcag2ict-tf@w3.org>
Pierce, Al,

Would addressing row/column relationships in tables in SC 1.3.1 also 
address the concerns you had raised in our discussions of SC 4.1.2?

Separately...  Reading through "Understanding SC 1.3.1 
<http://www.w3.org/TR/UNDERSTANDING-WCAG20/content-structure-separation-programmatic.html>" 
I'm wondering how best to add the points you are making in your text 
below.  I wonder if it would be more effective to convey it in the 
"Examples of Success Criterion 1.3.1" section.  And...  Looking at what 
is there already, we have a table example that makes clear that 
row/column structure and links to headers must be preserved.  The text 
from the "Examples" section is:

  *

    *A bus schedule table where the headers for each cell can be
    programmatically determined*

    A bus schedule consists of a table with the bus stops listed
    vertically in the first column and the different buses listed
    horizontally across the first row. Each cell contains the time when
    the bus will be at that bus stop. The bus stop and bus cells are
    identified as headers for their corresponding row or column so that
    assistive technology can programmatically determine which bus and
    which bus stop are associated with the time in each cell.


I'm curious, based on this existing text, what you feel is missing?  Is 
is that "table" isn't mentioned very specifically in the text above 
"Specific Benefits..."?  In that case, I have a friendly suggested 
rewording, in the form of a Note to appear immediately above the 
"Specific Benefits..." section:

    Note: One example of structure and relationships that are
    perceivable visually is information presented in tabular form: the
    visual structure and relationship of one cell to another, the
    structure and relationship of one cell to all the cells sharing the
    same row or column, and the structure and relationship of one cell
    to the row and/or column header. These are all important structure
    and relationships which should be programmatically determined or
    available in text.


Regards,

Peter

On 6/27/2012 1:21 PM, Crowell, Pierce wrote:
>
> Al and I received advice from Gregg on how to address this action item 
> in a manner palatable for the WCAG WG.  Thank you Gregg.
>
> Pierce
>
> ACTION-20: Work with Al to come up with addition to WCAG intent for 
> 1.3.1 to cover table cells and row/column headers:
>
> 1.Add the following paragraph to make it clear that 1.3.1 covers 
> tables (in front of the current last paragraph):
>
> *When information is presented in tabular form, the row, column and 
> header information for each cell* *would have to* 
> *either be "programmatically determined", or the relationship between 
> each cell and its row, column, and header information would have to be 
> available in text.*
>
> 2.For easier reading, edit the current last paragraph to read as follows:
>
> *There may also be cases where it may be a judgment call as to whether 
> the relationships should be programmatically determined or be 
> presented in text.   However, wherever possible, information and 
> relationships should be programmatically determined rather than 
> described in text.*
>

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