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RE: captions and subtitles Take 2

From: Kiran Kaja <kkaja@adobe.com>
Date: Fri, 1 Jun 2012 22:53:26 +0100
To: Gregg Vanderheiden <gv@trace.wisc.edu>, "public-wcag2ict-tf@w3.org" <public-wcag2ict-tf@w3.org>
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If we are adding this info for people who do not know much about captions, we may as well go ahead and provide examples for "non-speech audio information needed to understand the media content". Appending to Gregg's proposal:

"Note: The WCAG 2.0 definition of Captions says " In some countries, captions are called subtitles".
They are also sometimes referred to as "subtitles for the hearing impaired"
To meet this SC however subtitles would have to be the type that provide "synchronized visual and/or text alternative<http://www.w3.org/TR/2008/REC-WCAG20-20081211/#text-altdef> for both speech and non-speech audio information needed to understand the media content. Non-speech information may include sound effects, music, laughter, speaker identification and location."

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From: Gregg Vanderheiden [mailto:gv@trace.wisc.edu]
Sent: 01 June 2012 18:23
To: public-wcag2ict-tf@w3.org
Subject: RE: captions and subtitles Take 2

New proposed wording


 the following is proposed as a note that would be included on the caption provisions in WCAG2ICT:


"Note: The WCAG 2.0 definition of Captions says " In some countries, captions are called subtitles".
They are also sometimes referred to as "subtitles for the hearing impaired"
To meet this SC however subtitles would have to be the type that provide "synchronized visual and/or text alternative<http://www.w3.org/TR/2008/REC-WCAG20-20081211/#text-altdef> for both speech and non-speech audio information needed to understand the media content"





From: Gregg Vanderheiden [mailto:gv@trace.wisc.edu]
Sent: Friday, June 01, 2012 11:37 AM
To: public-wcag2ict-tf@w3.org<mailto:public-wcag2ict-tf@w3.org>
Subject: captions and subtitles

In our meeting today it was pointed out that WCAG refers to Captions  while some countries use the work Subtitles for the same thing.

When this occurred with audio description and video description we added the following note to WCAG2ICT

"Note: WCAG 2.0 definition of Audio Description says that Audio Description is "Also called 'video description' and 'descriptive narration.'".

We were going to use a similar statement here but it is complicate by the fact that "subtitles" is also used to refer to subtext that only contains the words and does not contain speaker identification or important non-speech sounds.

So the following is proposed as a note instead - that would be included on the caption provisions in WCAG2ICT:

"Note: The WCAG 2.0 definition of Captions says " In some countries, captions are called subtitles".  To meet this SC however they would have to be the type of subtitles that provide "synchronized visual and/or text alternative<http://www.w3.org/TR/2008/REC-WCAG20-20081211/#text-altdef> for both speech and non-speech audio information needed to understand the media content"





Gregg
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Gregg Vanderheiden Ph.D.
Director Trace R&D Center
Professor Industrial & Systems Engineering
and Biomedical Engineering
University of Wisconsin-Madison

Co-Director, Raising the Floor - International
and the Global Public Inclusive Infrastructure Project
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