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Re: Looking at SC 2.4.5 Multiple Ways with "UI Context"

From: Peter Korn <peter.korn@oracle.com>
Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2012 18:56:53 -0700
Message-ID: <4FFF8065.5060409@oracle.com>
To: Gregg Vanderheiden <gv@trace.wisc.edu>
CC: public-wcag2ict-tf@w3.org
Gregg,

>> <PK>
>> Hi gang,
>>
>> SC *2.4.5 
>> <https://sites.google.com/site/wcag2ict/home/2-operable/24-provide-ways-to-help-users-navigate-find-content-and-determine-where-they-are/245-multiple-ways>**Multiple 
>> Ways *was not one we reached consensus on.  Nor have we had much 
>> discussion on it thus far.
>>
>> My thoughts on that can be found at the Applying UI Context 
>> <https://sites.google.com/site/wcag2ict/cross-cutting-issues-and-notes/user-interface-context/applying-ui-context> 
>> page in the fifth row, but to facilitate discussion, I reiterate them 
>> here.
>>
>> The software portion of the UIC Proposal is:
>>
>>     For software this applies directly as written and as described
>>     in  INTENT  from Understanding WCAG 2.0 (above) with the word
>>     “user interface context” substituted for Web Page  and "software
>>     program" substituted for "set of web pages".
>>
>>     NOTE:  In the Understanding WCAG 2.0 writeup for this success
>>     criterion the WCAG Working Group gives examples of browsing and
>>     search as two possible methods for locating a Web page within a
>>     set of Web pages.  Both of these approaches would appear to be
>>     supported by most Electronic Documents,  and browsing and
>>     searching of help functions would appear to allow locating major
>>     sections in software as well.
>>
>>     Note: Modal dialog boxes by their nature are considered part of a
>>     process that you can not navigate away from and must completed or
>>     cancelled before continuing.
>>
>> I don't see how one locates a "set of user interface elements" within 
>> a "software program".  This set could be not a single window but a 
>> collection of windows; such collections aren't generally named 
>> entities one can navigate to as a collection.
>> This ties into my concerns with 2.4.2 about what is a title of such a 
>> collection of windows.
>>
>> Fundamentally I believe this SC doesn't really apply to software, and 
>> I think the right thing to do is go back to WCAG and see if we have 
>> their blessing to say exactly that.
>>
>
> *GV: can't do that.  But what we CAN do is to say that for xy there is 
> no accessibility supported way to do z or something like that.  That 
>  would indicate (if we determine this) that there is no way to do this 
> for some major type of content.  (Or types).     (should not be some 
> strange fringe case) *
> *
> *
> *Then the Access Board  and m376 can do their job.*
> *
> *
> *I'm not sure if that is true here though.    But if it is -- that is 
> the way we can deal with it.
> *

Fair enough.  Do you have any reaction to how one locates a "set of user 
interface elements" within a "software program"?  Particularly where 
that set encompasses multiple non-modal windows?  2.4.2 language has 
consensus, so we don't have to deal with the UIC question there, but 
fundamentally I see it as the same question.


Regards,

Peter
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