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Re: How 2.4.5 Multiple Ways ought to apply to software

From: Gregg Vanderheiden <gv@trace.wisc.edu>
Date: Fri, 10 Aug 2012 08:30:20 -0500
To: Michael Pluke <Mike.Pluke@castle-consult.com>
Cc: "Bailey, Bruce" <Bailey@Access-Board.gov>, Andi Snow-Weaver <andisnow@us.ibm.com>, "public-wcag2ict-tf@w3.org" <public-wcag2ict-tf@w3.org>
Message-id: <CB27D4B6-F6E1-4349-B762-CD0DDB769E0C@trace.wisc.edu>
that example was added to say

"If the only way to get to some page is to go first through a CAPTCHA page -- then you do not have to have a second way to get to that page (besides the captcha page) because doing a CAPTCHA first is part of the process. "


Gregg
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Gregg Vanderheiden Ph.D.
Director Trace R&D Center
Professor Industrial & Systems Engineering
and Biomedical Engineering
University of Wisconsin-Madison

Technical Director - Cloud4all Project - http://Cloud4all.info
Co-Director, Raising the Floor - International
and the Global Public Inclusive Infrastructure Project
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On Aug 10, 2012, at 8:21 AM, Michael Pluke <Mike.Pluke@castle-consult.com> wrote:

> I am not against surveying this, but I don’t really think that all software is covered by the process exception.
>  
> I would suggest that modal dialog boxes are definitely steps in a process. Once you have initiated the print “process” the next, and sometimes final step in the process, is a modal dialog box with print options and a “Print” or “Cancel” button. This modal dialog box, which is an “interaction context” in M376-speak (and hence analogous to a Web page that is a step in a process).
>  
> In “interaction context”-speak, 2.4.5 becomes:
>  
> “More than one way is available to locate an interaction context within a set of interaction contexts except where the interaction context is the result of, or a step in, a process.”
>  
> The print dialog is an “interaction context. It is the result of (a step in) a process” and should not therefore provide multiple ways of accessing parts of the main application (we are beginning to agree that an application represents one or more interaction contexts “within a set of interaction contexts” – equivalent to a “set of Web pages”).
>  
> However, if an application (which maps to “a set of interaction contexts”) contains several interaction contexts (e.g. the multiple sections of Outlook) then 2.4.5 says that I should be given multiple ways of accessing those different parts e.g. the Navigation bar to the right of the Outlook window, Control + numeric, and maybe more methods.
>  
> Best regards
>  
> Mike
>  
> From: Bailey, Bruce [mailto:Bailey@Access-Board.gov] 
> Sent: 10 August 2012 12:56
> To: Andi Snow-Weaver; public-wcag2ict-tf@w3.org
> Subject: How 2.4.5 Multiple Ways ought to apply to software
>  
> For Tuesday, might we survey if task force members believe that most (all?) software falls into the “except where the [X] is the result of, or a step in, a process” half of 2.4.5?
>  
> I submit that WCAG has a pretty broad definition of “process”.  Please see Example 2:  “An account registration page requires successful completion of a Turing test before the registration form can be accessed.”
> http://www.w3.org/TR/WCAG20/#processdef
>  
>  
> From: Andi Snow-Weaver [mailto:andisnow@us.ibm.com] 
> Sent: Thursday, August 09, 2012 7:07 PM
> To: public-wcag2ict-tf@w3.org
> Subject: ACTION: Meeting Preparation Survey for tomorrow - Please answer before the meeting if possible
> Sorry for the late notice. At tomorrow's meeting, we're going to step back from the issue of finding a replacement term for "web page" and discuss how task force members fundamentally believe 2.4.1 Bypass Blocks and 2.4.5 Multiple Ways ought to apply to software. 
> 
> To help structure the discussion, we have prepared a survey: https://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/55145/AUG102012/
> 
> Please answer it before the meeting if you can. I won't set the usual 6 AM US Eastern time deadline. 
> 
> Andi
> 




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