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minutes from today (team b)

From: Wendy Chisholm <wendy@w3.org>
Date: Wed, 14 Sep 2005 12:28:01 -0400
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                           WCAG WG Team B (task force)

14 Sep 2005

    See also: [2]IRC log

       [2] http://www.w3.org/2005/09/14-wcag-teamb-irc

Attendees

    Present
           Wendy Chisholm, Yvette_Hoitink, Diane_Stottlemyer,
           Roberto_Scano, Becky_Gibson, Loretta_Guarino_Reid, John_Slatin,
           Bengt_Farre, Lisa Seeman

    Regrets
    Chair
           wendy

    Scribe
           wendy

Contents

      * [3]Topics
          1. [4]defn of abbreviationa and acronym
          2. [5]specifying language
          3. [6]definition list proposal
          4. [7]definitions related to l3sc5
      * [8]Summary of Action Items

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defn of abbreviationa and acronym

    <rscano> suggest:
    [9]http://www.google.it/search?q=define:acronym&hl=it&lr=&defl=en

       [9] http://www.google.it/search?q=define:acronym&hl=it&lr=&defl=en

    <rscano> An abbreviation of the first letters of a phrase or the long
    name of an organization that forms a word or conveys a message. In
    electronic communication or online documents, acronyms are used as
    writing shorthand or a method to communicate humor. Examples include
    IMHO (in my humble opinion), F2F (face-to-face), and WYSIWYG (what you
    see is what you get). See
    [10]http://www.marshall.edu/isp/ct107/emoticons.html for an online
    reference to frequently-used acronyms

      [10] http://www.marshall.edu/isp/ct107/emoticons.html

    <rscano> www.csus.edu/uccs/training/online/glossary.htm

    <rscano> what about cases of words that are inside dictionary like:
    <ACRONYM TITLE="radio

    <rscano> detecting and ranging">radar</ACRONYM> ?

    some cases don't need to mark - AM, PM, RADAR, TV

    proposed - A mechanism is available for identifying specific
    definitions of words used in an unusual or restricted way, including
    idioms, jargon, acronyms, and abbreviations. (include acronyms?
    "deprecate" going forward?)

    remove "acronym" since an HTML element

    proposed - A mechanism is available for identifying specific
    definitions of words used in an restricted way, including idioms,
    jargon, and abbreviations. remove unusual because not testable.
    include abbreviations because some are more confusing if expanded
    (e.g., RADAR or AM, similar to not marking up "rendevous" as french in
    an english passage)

    unusual - what about irony? sarcasm? ambiguity?

    covered under "restricted" because restricting definition to a
    particular one.

    proposed - A mechanism is available for identifying specific
    definitions of words used in an restricted way, including idioms,
    jargon, and abbreviations. remove unusual because not testable.
    include abbreviations because some are more confusing if expanded
    (e.g., RADAR or AM, similar to not marking up "rendevous" as french in
    an english passage)

    restricted way - there are times when a word has multiple defns and as
    an author, only one of those makes is useful for what i want to say.

    lisa is against removing word unusual

    <scribe> ACTION: becky and john work on wording of SC and definitions
    of abbreviation and acronym [recorded in
    [11]http://www.w3.org/2005/09/14-wcag-teamb-minutes.html#action01]

    <scribe> ACTION: roberto combine bidirectional text posts with lisa's
    and send to list. [recorded in
    [12]http://www.w3.org/2005/09/14-wcag-teamb-minutes.html#action02]

specifying language

    if HTMl 4.01, use just lang

    if XHTML and serve as text/html, use both lang and xml:lang

    if XHTML serve as application/xhtml+xml, just xml:lang

    advisory for http and meta - but not consistently suppoted

    meta only way to provide multiple primary languages as comma sep list

    are the 3 choices above (based on "flavor") the 3 sufficient
    techniqeus?

    can have a comma-sep list of langs in xml:lang?

    what about html 3.2 and lower? if can't spec language, can't use to
    conform?

    what about flash?

    PDF does support a lang attribute

    <rscano> <!ENTITY % i18n

    <rscano> "lang %LanguageCode; #IMPLIED

    <rscano> xml:lang %LanguageCode; #IMPLIED

    <rscano> dir (ltr|rtl) #IMPLIED"

    <rscano> >

    <rscano> for action 3, for XHTML 1.0:

    <rscano> <!-- internationalization attributes

    <rscano> lang language code (backwards compatible)

    <rscano> xml:lang language code (as per XML 1.0 spec)

    <rscano> dir direction for weak/neutral text

    <rscano> -->

    <rscano> language code <> language "codes" so is not possible to have
    xml:lang="it, en, ..."

    <scribe> ACTION: john determine if can use comma-separate list in
    xml:lang (can't in XML 1.0, but possible can in XML 1.1) [recorded in
    [13]http://www.w3.org/2005/09/14-wcag-teamb-minutes.html#action03]

    <scribe> ACTION: becky write up the 3 sufficient techniques for
    identifying language [recorded in
    [14]http://www.w3.org/2005/09/14-wcag-teamb-minutes.html#action04]

definition list proposal

    [15]http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-wcag-teamb/2005Sep/att-
    0013/definitionlist-html-technique.htm

      [15] 
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-wcag-teamb/2005Sep/att-0013/definitionlist-html-technique.htm

    task should say "use the defn list elements to provide
    definitions/define words"

    think that language codes is possible xml 1.1

    otherwise, resolution: adopt the technique

    <rscano> from a HTML WG Member (in MSN): dl are not deprecated in
    XHTML 2.0
    [16]http://www.w3.org/TR/2004/WD-xhtml2-20040722/mod-list.html#edef_li
    st_dl

      [16] 
http://www.w3.org/TR/2004/WD-xhtml2-20040722/mod-list.html#edef_list_dl

    <rscano> also as been extended with "nl"

definitions related to l3sc5

    [17]http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-wcag-teamb/2005Sep/att-
    0043/gdoc_31l3sc5_alternatives_2005-09-12.htm

      [17] 
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-wcag-teamb/2005Sep/att-0043/gdoc_31l3sc5_alternatives_2005-09-12.htm

    resolution: propose - supplement Additional content that illustrates
    or clarifies default text content, which users may use instead of or
    in addition to the default text content. For example, there may be
    supplements in text, graphics, and audio.
    ... propose - Education level Years of school completed, or highest
    degree achieved.
    ... propose - Upper secondary education level - the approximate 3 year
    time period that typically begins at ages 15 or 16 usually after 9
    years of full-time education according to the International Standard
    Classification of Education (UNESCO, 1997).
    ... propose - Primary education level - the approximate 6 year time
    period that typically begins at ages 5, 6, or 7 possibly without any
    previous education, according to the International Standard
    Classification of Education (UNESCO, 1997).

    may be issues with the wording of the SC - need some clarification.

    trigger could be "requires reading level above.." and get rid of
    ambiguity that falls within upper secondary. "when text requires
    reading ability above the lower secondary education level"

    <scribe> ACTION: john defn for lower secondary education level
    [recorded in
    [18]http://www.w3.org/2005/09/14-wcag-teamb-minutes.html#action06]

    <scribe> ACTION: wendy survey of definitions for thursday's call
    [recorded in
    [19]http://www.w3.org/2005/09/14-wcag-teamb-minutes.html#action07]

    <scribe> ACTION: wendy survey of other techniques and proposals for
    team for discussion. [recorded in
    [20]http://www.w3.org/2005/09/14-wcag-teamb-minutes.html#action08]

    <scribe> ACTION: wendy follow-up w/folks re: action items and next
    steps. some folks may focus on techs for other guidelines, others on
    guides. [recorded in
    [21]http://www.w3.org/2005/09/14-wcag-teamb-minutes.html#action09]

Summary of Action Items

    [NEW] ACTION: becky and john work on wording of SC and defn of
    abbreviation and acronym [recorded in
    [22]http://www.w3.org/2005/09/14-wcag-teamb-minutes.html#action01]
    [NEW] ACTION: becky write up the 3 sufficient techniques for
    identifying language [recorded in
    [23]http://www.w3.org/2005/09/14-wcag-teamb-minutes.html#action04]
    [NEW] ACTION: john defn for lower secondary education level [recorded
    in [24]http://www.w3.org/2005/09/14-wcag-teamb-minutes.html#action06]
    [NEW] ACTION: john determine if can use comma-separate list in
    xml:lang (xml 1.1) [recorded in
    [25]http://www.w3.org/2005/09/14-wcag-teamb-minutes.html#action03]
    [NEW] ACTION: roberto combine bidirectional text posts with lisa's and
    send to list. [recorded in
    [26]http://www.w3.org/2005/09/14-wcag-teamb-minutes.html#action02]
    [NEW] ACTION: wendy follow-up w/folks re: action items and next steps.
    some folks may focus on techs for other guidelines, others on guides.
    [recorded in
    [27]http://www.w3.org/2005/09/14-wcag-teamb-minutes.html#action09]
    [NEW] ACTION: wendy survey of definitions for thursday's call
    [recorded in
    [28]http://www.w3.org/2005/09/14-wcag-teamb-minutes.html#action07]
    [NEW] ACTION: wendy survey of other techniques and proposals for team
    for discussion. [recorded in
    [29]http://www.w3.org/2005/09/14-wcag-teamb-minutes.html#action08]

    [End of minutes]

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