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Re: Mobile Call

From: Shadi Abou-Zahra <shadi@w3.org>
Date: Wed, 28 Mar 2012 12:14:53 +0200
Message-ID: <4F72E49D.2000503@w3.org>
To: simon.harper@manchester.ac.uk
CC: Yeliz Yesilada <yyeliz@metu.edu.tr>, RDWG <public-wai-rd@w3.org>
Hi Simon,

On 28.3.2012 11:43, Simon Harper wrote:
> Hi Shadi,
> maybe I can help out with point #2 - this is for 2 reasons - firstly
> because the hyperlink provides the full text for the copyright policy
> and secondly because in Shawn's work she says about that sentence - that
> the wording doesn't seem / can't be right. In reality anyone can quote
> text as long as it is referenced - this text says that the text can be
> included in a derived work as though it is the work of the derivee; I
> agree with Shawn 'this can't be right'.

This is not my area of expertise. This text was suggested by our W3C 
legal adviser so we should probably look at it in more detail. Again, 
what I understood is that the WG Note may include conclusions or draw 
concepts from the contributions, which in turn could be considered as 
derivative work. It is not about referencing the resources but really 
interpreting or reusing the work in some form. If we do not have this 
sentence then I think we will need to be really careful that none of the 
statements we make can be interpreted to be derivative work.

> and for my 2 pennth - shall we discuss #1 at the meeting - Shadi, I know
> you aren't there today so could you be a little more specific as to what
> you would like to see so I can accurately represent this in the call?

For one, I disagree with the statement made in the first sentence as it 
currently stands. It sounds too absolute. For instance, for me mobile 
devices are not (yet?) the primary form of accessing the Web.

Also the second sentence probably needs to be looked at more closely to 
avoid exacerbating frequent stereotypes and cliches. Are only business 
people in Europe 24/7 on the go? Numerically there may be more business 
people 24/7 on the go in India than in Europe.

Finally, the combination of these two (first) sentences of the Call do 
not give me the picture of what the rest of the Call actually covers. In 
fact, it seems to be going in a completely different directions. I 
suggest revisiting the purpose of these two sentences and, if they are 
deemed as essential, to consider them for the Background section. This 
would entail revising both sections accordingly.


> cheers
> Si.
> PS I check my email at 08:00 and 17:00 GMT. If you require a faster
> response please include the word 'fast' in the subject line.
> =======================
> Simon Harper
> http://simon.harper.name/about/card/
> University of Manchester (UK)
> Web Ergonomics Lab - Information Management Group
> http://wel.cs.manchester.ac.uk
> On 28/03/2012 09:56, Shadi Abou-Zahra wrote:
>> Dear Yeliz, Editors,
>> Thank you for considering my wording suggestions for the Background
>> section. I also like the other changes but have some questions:
>> #1. The introduction paragraph now seems to be taking a different
>> direction and tone to the rest of the call. I think we should align
>> these sections in one way or the other, to avoid confusion.
>> #2. What was the rationale for removing the sentence "The Contributor
>> further agrees that any derivative works of this contribution prepared
>> by the W3C shall be solely owned by the W3C" from the copyright
>> policy? As far as I understood, this clause is essential for allowing
>> the editors to create the consolidated WG Note, which can be
>> considered to be "derivative work".
>> Thanks,
>> Shadi
>> On 27.3.2012 11:06, Yeliz Yesilada wrote:
>>> Hi All,
>>> Thanks for your feedback. We have now updated the call to address all
>>> the comments and it is available
>>> at:<http://www.w3.org/WAI/RD/wiki/Mobile>. You can also see the
>>> discussions at<http://www.w3.org/WAI/RD/wiki/Talk:Mobile>.
>>> Regards,
>>> Yeliz.
>>> --------------------------------------------------------
>>> Dr. Yeliz Yesilada
>>> Middle East Technical University,
>>> Northern Cyprus Campus,
>>> Kalkanl─▒, G├╝zelyurt, KKTC,
>>> Mersin 10, Turkey
>>> URL: http://metu.edu.tr/~yyeliz
>>> Tel: +90 (392) 661 2994
>>> Fax: +90 (392) 661 2999
>>> --------------------------------------------------------

Shadi Abou-Zahra - http://www.w3.org/People/shadi/
Activity Lead, W3C/WAI International Program Office
Evaluation and Repair Tools Working Group (ERT WG)
Research and Development Working Group (RDWG)
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