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From: Shadi Abou-Zahra <shadi@w3.org>
Date: Fri, 14 Sep 2012 17:38:59 +0200
Message-ID: <50534F93.2060308@w3.org>
To: Eval TF <public-wai-evaltf@w3.org>
Dear Eval TF,

Please find the minutes from yesterday's WCAG WG teleconference call. We 
have approval for publication with some minor editorial changes to the 
version of section 3.4.2 Step 4.b: Use WCAG 2.0 Techniques Where 
Possible (Optional) that we discussed yesterday.

Further notes and an updated Editor Draft will be circulated later.

Congratulations to all your hard work everyone! One more milestone...

Regards,
   Shadi


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Subject: Minutes WCAG 13 Sep 2012
Resent-Date: Fri, 14 Sep 2012 14:21:27 +0000
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Date: Fri, 14 Sep 2012 10:20:58 -0400
From: Michael Cooper <cooper@w3.org>
To: Loretta Guarino Reid <lorettaguarino@google.com>
CC: WCAG <w3c-wai-gl@w3.org>, Shadi Abou-Zahra <shadi@w3.org>,  Eric 
Velleman <e.velleman@bartimeus.nl>

Minutes of the 13 September 2012 WCAG meeting are posted to
http://www.w3.org/2012/09/13-wai-wcag-minutes.html and copied below.


   Web Content Accessibility Guidelines Working Group Teleconference


     13 Sep 2012

Agenda <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/w3c-wai-gl/2012JulSep/0081.html>

See also: IRC log <http://www.w3.org/2012/09/13-wai-wcag-irc>


     Attendees

Present
     Andrew_Kirkpatrick, Bruce_Bailey, Cooper, David_MacDonald,
     Eric_Velleman, Gregg_Vanderheiden, Kathy, Loretta_Guarino_Reid,
     Marc_Johlic, MoeKraft, Shadi
Regrets
     Robin_Tuttle, Cherie_Eckholm, Alex_Li
Chair
     Loretta_Guarino_Reid
Scribe
     Kathy


     Contents

     * Topics <http://www.w3.org/2012/09/13-wai-wcag-minutes.html#agenda>
          1. Website Accessibility Conformance Evaluation Methodology 1.0
             <http://www.w3.org/2012/09/13-wai-wcag-minutes.html#item01>
     * Summary of Action Items
       <http://www.w3.org/2012/09/13-wai-wcag-minutes.html#ActionSummary>

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<shadi> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/w3c-wai-gl/2012JulSep/0086.html


       Website Accessibility Conformance Evaluation Methodology 1.0

<shadi> http://www.w3.org/WAI/ER/conformance/ED-methodology-20120910

<shadi> http://www.w3.org/WAI/ER/conformance/ED-methodology-20120910#step4b

<shadi> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/w3c-wai-gl/2012JulSep/0086.html

<shadi> [[Reminder: Techniques and failures in the context of WCAG 2.0
are only informative. They can help assess if WCAG 2.0 Success Criteria
are met by providing documented ways of meeting them and commonly
occurring failures in meeting them. However, as per the WCAG 2.0
conformance requirements, only the Success Criteria must be met.]]

<shadi> proposal: ADD [[And you can use any techniques that meet the
success criteria, whether they are documented yet by the WCAC WG or not.]]

<greggvanderheiden> Reminder: Techniques and failures in the context of
WCAG 2.0 are only informative. They can help assess if WCAG 2.0 Success
Criteria are met by providing documented ways of meeting them and
commonly occurring failures in meeting them. However, as per the WCAG
2.0 conformance requirements, only the Success Criteria must be met.
[And you can use any techniques that meet the success criteria, whether
they are documented yet by the WCAC WG or

<greggvanderheiden> not.]

<greggvanderheiden> WCAG 2.0 techniques are not the only way to meet
WCAG 2.0 Success Criteria and WCAG 2.0 failures are not the only way in
failing to meet WCAG 2.0 Success Criteria. [The working group
documented] techniques and failures are not exhaustive and cannot cover
every possible situation. Also, the techniques used to meet WCAG 2.0
Success Criteria during the development may not be known to the
evaluator. Particularly for newly released web

<greggvanderheiden> technologies, or when these web technologies are
used in particular contexts, there may be no publicly or proprietary
documented techniques and failures available to the evaluator. The
evaluator must be considerate of these limitations when using [the]
techniques and failures [provided by the WCAG working group] to evaluate
conformance with WCAG 2.0.

<shadi> http://www.w3.org/WAI/ER/conformance/ED-methodology-20120910#step1e

<Zakim> MichaelC, you wanted to say change "The evaluator must be
considerate of these limitations..." replace "considerate" with "aware"
or "conscious" or something

<Zakim> Loretta, you wanted to say that I agree about the use of "likely"

<shadi> [[WCAG 2.0 techniques are documented ways for meeting or for
going beyond what is required by individual WCAG 2.0 Success Criteria. A
WCAG 2.0 Success Criterion is likely met on a web page when:]]

<shadi> [[Conversely, failures are documented ways of not meeting
individual WCAG 2.0 Success Criteria. A WCAG 2.0 Success Criterion is
likely not met on a web page when a failure applies to any instance of
web content that is addressed by the WCAG 2.0 Success Criterion.]]

*RESOLUTION: In 3.4.2 remove the word "likely" from the following
sentence "WCAG 2.0 techniques are documented ways for meeting or for
going beyond what is required by individual WCAG 2.0 Success Criteria. A
WCAG 2.0 Success Criterion is likely met on a web page when" and this
sentence "Conversely, failures are documented ways of not meeting
individual WCAG 2.0 Success Criteria. A WCAG 2.0 Success Criterion is
likely not met on a web page when a failure appli*

<shadi> [[WCAG 2.0 techniques are not the only way to meet WCAG 2.0
Success Criteria and WCAG 2.0 failures are not the only way in failing
to meet WCAG 2.0 Success Criteria. [The working group documented]
techniques and failures are not exhaustive and cannot cover every
possible situation.]]

<Loretta> WCAG-documented techniques? (note no 2.0 is intentional)

<shadi> [[The evaluator must be considerate of these limitations when
using [the] techniques and failures [provided by the WCAG working group]
to evaluate conformance with WCAG 2.0.]]

<Loretta> It is hard to come up with an accurate short handle for the
techniques.

<Loretta> right. Trying to find a handle for the techniques in the
Techniques document, vs a technique that is sufficient to meet a success
criteria but isn't listed there.

<shadi> [[considerate]] -> [[be aware of]] or [[consider]]

*RESOLUTION: approved for publication with the edits discussed during
the meeting*


     Summary of Action Items

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Michael Cooper
Web Accessibility Specialist
World Wide Web Consortium, Web Accessibility Initiative
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