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Re: 100% conformance for the pages sampled...

From: Elle <nethermind@gmail.com>
Date: Thu, 19 Jan 2012 17:16:28 -0500
Message-ID: <CAJ=fddPQHzNKg0Kd7pEE-nXDTZAPrHEPY97LKqPgKSmaDLbq=w@mail.gmail.com>
To: Detlev Fischer <fischer@dias.de>
Cc: public-wai-evaltf@w3.org

If we required an entire site to be 100% conformant, I would agree with
you, but we're talking about the representative sampling of pages used for
testing only. There's an understanding that there may be errors on pages
not tested, but I don't think it is unreasonable that the sample should be
compliant or remediated to meet the requirements.

In this climate, compliance with big companies is largely motivated by risk
mitigation. As an employee of a Fortune 100 company, I can tell you that
we'd rather have a conformance requirement that is stricter, because
achieving that level of conformance represents a better guarantee of
protection against litigation.  Leaving too much room for error could
result in a false sense of security for those companies who think they
comply only to find that they're measurably off the mark.


On Thu, Jan 19, 2012 at 4:57 PM, Detlev Fischer <fischer@dias.de> wrote:

> Let's stop here and consider the implications.
> Here and then, people in the EVAL TF have agreed that the 100% conformant
> site does not really exist 'out there'. Aren't we holding the bone a wee
> bit too high? I wonder what that will mean for the practical acceptance of
> the methodology. Will it come to be derided as academic, as impossibly
> demanding? Who then is the customer of a (sorry, chap) refused seal of
> conformance who bows to gracefully accept the list of flaws to rectify?
> Just wondering...it just strikes me as slightly surreal...
> Detlev
> Quoting RichardWarren <richard.warren@userite.com>:
>  Dear Alistair and All,
>> Having just spent a fortune getting my son's car through its MOT I have
>> to agree with Alistair 100%. Our task is to establish a methodology for
>> evaluating website accessibility. If the evaluation identifies that the
>> site fully meets the guidelines then a conformance claim can be made to
>> that effect. Everyone will know exactly what that means.
>> If the site "almost" meets the guidelines then perhaps some other form of
>> "compliance statement" can be made - BUT that is not our current problem.
>> Maybe, once we have finished our methodology, we can recommend a new task
>> force to look at variance in conformance claims <grin>.
>> Regards
>> Richard
>> -----Original Message----- From: Alistair Garrison
>> Sent: Thursday, January 19, 2012 9:02 PM
>> To: Eval TF
>> Subject: 100% conformance for the pages sampled...
>> Dear All,
>> If I understood correctly from this afternoon's EVAL TF telecon - there
>> was a suggestion that we should (at a minimum) require the representative
>> sample pages to be in 100% conformance with WCAG 2.0 (at the chosen level)
>> in order to say the site conforms (at that level).  If this was the case, I
>> strongly agree with it (meant to write it in the IRC at the time).
>> In addition, I noted from some a worry about telling a website owner (a
>> client, etc) that their website doesn't conform - especially when they
>> might have tried hard to do so.  To my mind, worries of this kind should
>> not deter us from asking for nothing less than 100% conformance (on any
>> given sample). The person that does the MOT on my car has absolutely no
>> worries about telling me about any failures, but possibly that's because
>> everyone doing MOTs requires 100% conformance from a car for a pass.
>> Surely, we want people to try their absolute best to conform 100%.  We
>> must encourage them to shoot for the stars (100% conformance) - some, of
>> course, will initially only hit the moon, but they will at least know what
>> is expected from them... Let's not, however, start to congratulate people
>> for simply getting off the ground - that time must have passed long, long,
>> long ago.
>> Anyway, look forward to seeing you all on the list.
>> Alistair
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