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Re: Discussion: dynamic pages

From: Peter Korn <peter.korn@oracle.com>
Date: Fri, 06 Apr 2012 10:45:40 -0700
Message-ID: <4F7F2BC4.2050808@oracle.com>
To: Elle <nethermind@gmail.com>
CC: "Velleman, Eric" <evelleman@bartimeus.nl>, "public-wai-evaltf@w3.org" <public-wai-evaltf@w3.org>
Elle,

A full list of URLs won't be enough in all cases.  Many web applications 
use a single URL/URI, yet have a large number of different "screens" 
that they display behind that single URL/URI (using cookies, etc. to 
track which "screen" to generate).  Others dynamically generate the 
URLs/URIs, again making it impossible to provide a list in advance.

Regarding use cases, there is another wrinkle there...  Large web 
applications have many use cases - sets of them in some cases (think of 
a CRM application, or an accounting package).  Any given customer may 
only be using a small subset of those use cases.  Such a customer may 
not care whether some portions of the product they aren't using aren't 
accessible...


Regards,

Peter

On 4/6/2012 10:17 AM, Elle wrote:
> Peter:
>
> I assume that at the very least, an auditor would need a full list of 
> the URLs from the website owner to perform an accurate evaluation.  In 
> keeping with that need to communicate with the website owner, 
> requesting use cases in addition to URLs seemed reasonable.  The 
> question I have (after thinking through this) is, what recommendations 
> would we give auditors for testing dynamic pages that don't have any 
> use cases available?  Not every company keeps that kind of rigor with 
> their development and requirements tracking.
>
>
> ~Elle
>
>
>
>
> On Fri, Apr 6, 2012 at 1:04 PM, Peter Korn <peter.korn@oracle.com 
> <mailto:peter.korn@oracle.com>> wrote:
>
>     Hi Elle,
>
>     Just curious - are we presuming that all website evaluations will
>     be done with the knowledge & cooperation of the website owner /
>     developer?  Without that, how could the evaluator determine what
>     the full set of use cases is?
>
>
>     Peter
>
>
>     On 4/6/2012 6:33 AM, Elle wrote:
>>     Eric:
>>
>>     I still believe that we can just model accessibility audits after
>>     the business use cases that are provided for a web application's
>>     launch.  In my experience, all of these dynamic scenarios are
>>     covered when testing web pages for success in meeting functional
>>     requirements; each profile has a use case.  All we need to do is
>>     write the accessibility audits for each use case.
>>
>>
>>     Thanks,
>>     Elle
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>     On Thu, Apr 5, 2012 at 11:42 AM, Velleman, Eric
>>     <evelleman@bartimeus.nl <mailto:evelleman@bartimeus.nl>> wrote:
>>
>>         Dear all,
>>
>>         I would appreciate your input on what to do with audits of
>>         dynamic pages that do not just change data, but also provide
>>         different outputs, layout, alt-tags etc. Could we cover this
>>         by describing the exact use cases that we followed? But how
>>         do you evaluate a page that does this if you are an evaluator
>>         with a different profile than the use case that has been chosen?
>>
>>         Kindest regards,
>>
>>         Eric
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>     -- 
>>     If you want to build a ship, don't drum up the people to gather
>>     wood, divide the work, and give orders. Instead, teach them to
>>     yearn for the vast and endless sea.
>>     - Antoine De Saint-Exupéry, The Little Prince
>>
>
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