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Fwd: RE: FEEDBACK: review Friday 2 July for visual design

From: Charmane K. Corcoran <corcora1@msu.edu>
Date: Fri, 2 Jul 2004 14:59:06 -0400
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To: public-wai-eo-site@w3.org

Not so concerned about CSS, more concerned about them giving a flat 
image file for the design. I have a segment of the university here 
that believes that is THE only way to design a web page. Then, you 
figure out later if it is going to work.  Maybe I read it wrong.  I 
am mainly concerned that they can make the what ever design 
accessible and some designs just can't be. I have had to fight 
through several battles over this approach to design and how it can 
be a problem. I just want to make sure we are aware of the potential 

I am not sure how you can word it to avoid that pitfall without 
requiring accessible code so.... As long as you are convinced that 
this isn't setting us up for a problem, I will defer to your 


>>  >While we prefer comps in valid, accessible XHTML and CSS, we
>>  understand
>>  >that it is often not an effective use of time and effort to
>>  make early
>>  >comps fully meet standards and work well on multiple configurations.
>>  Therefore, at this stage we will accept comps as graphics files,
>>  preferably PNG,
>>  In my experience, often when someone provides a design in graphic
>>  format, it may or may not be able to translate into an accessible
>>  format.  I have a concern about getting a design in graphic format.
>>  If it is in xhtml, at least we have an idea if it can be easily made
>>  accessible or not. If it is in a graphic, it will take a lot more
>>  thought.  I would vote that it has to be in code and not in graphic
>>  format.  They can put in graphic AND code but not just graphic. That
>>  could be a disaster waiting to happen, in my opinion. You could end
>>  up approving a design that is cannot be converted to accessible code.
>>  I am not familiar with PNG so I can't address that type of graphic
>>  but the standard flat graphics have posed significant problems in the
>>  past.  Just raising the flag to avoid a potential problem.
>(First, for clarifiction: the pages I provided are in XHTML. We would
>need CSS to determine if the design is feasible.)
>Some of the visual design volunteers are likely not CSS experts. We have
>another volunteer to help with the CSS. We will be careful not to
>approve any design until it has been proven do-able.
>>  2. Under TIMELINE
>>  We are preceding with visual design now in order to
>>        should be "proceeding"
>Good catch! Thanks!
>~ Shawn


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Charmane K. Corcoran
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