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Re: Summary from today's EOWG discussion

From: Shadi Abou-Zahra <shadi@w3.org>
Date: Sun, 04 Oct 2009 21:54:18 +0200
Message-ID: <4AC8FD6A.5010001@w3.org>
To: Thomas Jewett <jewett@csulb.edu>, Eric Eggert <w3c@yatil.de>
CC: BAD TF <public-wai-eo-badtf@w3.org>
Hi Eric, Tom, and all,

First of all thank you all for your hard work and contributions so far. 
We've come a long way from the previous version and can be proud of the 
new version of the Demo. EOWG and WAI-AGE TF have repeatedly expressed 
their appreciation and their support for our work so far.

We should remember to separate two issues here:

#1. We should consider the feedback from EOWG as suggestions to improve 
the value of your contributions and hard work. They are reactions that 
may be shared by the public. We should think constructively if and how 
we want to address these comments from EOWG.

#2. Yes, unfortunately the project is significantly delayed. However, 
this is also due to the limited availability of each of us during some 
point of the project. There have been many missed calls, action items, 
and delays from each of us without exceptions.

We are very close to finalizing the project, and it is quite normal for 
last minute comments to come in. Please do not let this demotivate or 
discourage you. I am confident that we can address them all effectively 
given the amount creativity and expertise that we have in the group.

I will respond to some of Eric's comments separately.


Thomas Jewett wrote:
> Eric/Shadi/all,
> I believe that Eric has raised some important issues.
> We've all been placed in a very difficult position;
> unfortunately, I can't think of any inventive ways to
> resolve it.
> Tom
> On Fri, 2 Oct 2009 20:20:42 +0200
>  Eric Eggert <w3c@yatil.de> wrote:
>> Hi Shadi, Group.
>> First: I really appreciate all feedback we get, and some points are
>> valid (as I will show below), but this group was scheduled until
>> December 2008 and is now in its second year. There are people writing
>> whole specs in that time.
>> We archived a lot, and a lot more then we were asked to do, and the
>> group works great together, but most of those suggestions shouldn’t be
>> presented to us a month prior to finish but a month after start.
>>> # Page design and navigation
>>>  - evaluation pages should be in the BAD design (not the WAI design)
>> We don’t have something like that. I said that before. When we
>> developed the Navigation it was singled out. Everything we do now with
>> the overview pages will result in pages that will look out of place
>> anyway.
>>>  - make a "show/hide report" button (like "show/hide annotations")
>> Totally wrong as the report will not be shown inline, so it isn’t
>> shown, it is just linked to. We discussed that already…
>>>  - add W3C/WAI branding to all Demo pages (logos on top-left side)
>> Which logos exactly. Why didn’t we know about that requirement earlier?
>>>  - reflect the current location in the <h1>
>> This was planned anyway, if I recall directly
>>> and in the page title [1]
>> We do that.
>>> # Evaluation report
>>>  - for consideration/editors discretion:
>>>  -- remove indentation (for SC and Techs) in the description column
>>>  -- add indentation before the GL/SC numbers in the "#" column
>> Would that really add any benefit? I don’t think it does.
>>>  -- n/a should be in lower case and grayed (to be easier to skim)
>> “Easier to skim” is subjective, isn’t it? I don’t think it’s
>> necessary, but it won’t hurt.
>>>  -- use progressive color shading to better indicate the levels [2]
>> Don’t think we need that. Colors are too bold in Liams example for my 
>> taste…
>>> [1] consider imitating a browser chrome in the Demo area, to show the 
>>> "Page
>>> Titled" accessibility requirement between before/after versions
>> No, we don’t need this. (I don’t think I have to say that this will
>> confuse people, then you get into the problem which operating system
>> to mimic. And it is a code demo, so we shouldn’t introduce even more
>> elements that have nothing to do with the demo all together. Currently
>> I’m even thinking we should remove everything that is not the actual
>> demo – heading, footers, annotations – as it really, really seem to
>> confuse people. We will not please everybody.)
>> Regards,
>> Eric
>> -- 
>> Eric Eggert
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Shadi Abou-Zahra - http://www.w3.org/People/shadi/ |
   WAI International Program Office Activity Lead   |
  W3C Evaluation & Repair Tools Working Group Chair |
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