- From: J. Alan Bird <abird@w3.org>
- Date: Tue, 11 Oct 2016 10:22:37 -0400
- To: chaals@yandex-team.ru, Stephen Zilles <szilles@adobe.com>, Virginia Fournier <vfournier@apple.com>
- Cc: Jeff Jaffe <jeff@w3.org>, Stephen Zilles <steve@zilles.org>, "public-w3process@w3.org" <public-w3process@w3.org>, "ab@w3.org" <ab@w3.org>
- Message-ID: <5f25ebe6-2b51-c0f6-3e2d-70259ee11ccf@w3.org>
On 10/11/2016 07:04, chaals@yandex-team.ru wrote: > 10.10.2016, 23:56, "Stephen Zilles" <szilles@adobe.com>: >> >> Chaals, >> >> I think the change you suggest below (adding officers to paid staff) >> is a significant, un-reviewed change. Especaily, since for Member >> Consortia that have non-individual members, the 4 designated >> representatives are limited to official representatives of the >> organization (e.g. officers) that effectively removes the restriction >> to 4 such representatives if there are more than 4 officers. I >> suggest that we fix the issue you are concerned about in the next >> revision of the process and not make such a big change now. >> > Where does the limit of 4 come from? This is a legacy number and has been there for at least the 5+ years I've been here. > Why does a consortium need to *pay* people before they are eligible to > participate in W3C work, and how does this translate for the numerous > not-for-profit organisations who have been active members over more or > less the lifetime of W3C? I'm not hung up on the *pay* aspect as long as they are official representatives of the organization vs. just a Member of the other Consortia. > I had discussed this with Alan before proposing it. I do not think it > is a significant change, since it reflects actual practice, and as far > as I can tell the intent of the restrictions. > cheers >> >> Steve Z >> >> *From:*chaals@yandex-team.ru <mailto:chaals@yandex-team.ru> >> [mailto:chaals@yandex-team.ru <mailto:chaals@yandex-team.ru>] >> *Sent:* Monday, October 10, 2016 12:10 PM >> *To:* Virginia Fournier <vfournier@apple.com >> <mailto:vfournier@apple.com>>; J.Alan Bird <abird@w3.org >> <mailto:abird@w3.org>> >> *Cc:* Jeff Jaffe <jeff@w3.org <mailto:jeff@w3.org>>; Stephen Zilles >> <steve@zilles.org <mailto:steve@zilles.org>>; public-w3process@w3.org >> <mailto:public-w3process@w3.org>; ab@w3.org <mailto:ab@w3.org> >> *Subject:* Re: Definition of a Member Consortium in section 2.1.2.1 >> >> I've put a lightly edited version of the text into my draft, which I >> hope to have done by tomorrow. I also noted officers and staff get >> the rights - because there are consortia whose officers are all >> unpaid, but who participate substantially in work. >> >> cheers >> >> 10.10.2016, 20:35, "Virginia Fournier" <vfournier@apple.com >> <mailto:vfournier@apple.com>>: >> >> Hi Chaals, >> >> We want it to be clear that a corporation such as Apple would not >> be considered to be a “Member Consortium” because it has >> shareholders. So we support the updated language. If there’s >> another way to clarify this point, we’re open to considering it. >> >> Best regards, >> >> Virginia Fournier >> >> Senior Standards Counsel >> >> Apple Inc. >> >> ☏669-227-9595 >> >> ✉︎ vmf@apple.com <mailto:vmf@apple.com> >> >> On Oct 10, 2016, at 7:02 AM, J. Alan Bird <abird@w3.org >> <mailto:abird@w3.org>> wrote: >> >> >> On 10/10/2016 09:09, chaals@yandex-team.ru >> <mailto:chaals@yandex-team.ru> wrote: >> >> The whole change proposal looks editorial to me. >> >> Personally I hate it as over-legalistic, unnecessarily >> complex, and unnecessary given the fundamentals of process. >> But I was under the impression Alan had seen it and didn't >> see a substantive difference. >> >> correct >> >> 10.10.2016, 14:40, "Jeff Jaffe" <jeff@w3.org> >> <mailto:jeff@w3.org>: >> >> Steve, >> >> The proposal to update the process vis-a-vis Member >> Consortia came from Alan Bird. Are you aware if he has >> reviewed David's proposal? >> >> Jeff >> >> On 10/10/2016 12:50 AM, Stephen Zilles wrote: >> >> We must decide on the proposal by David Singer that >> we will replace the first paragraph of section >> 2.1.2.1 Membership Consortia which now reads, >> >> “If the Member is itself a consortium, user society, >> or otherwise has members or sponsors, as described in >> paragraph 5g of the Membership Agreement and >> hereafter called a "Member Consortium" the rights and >> privileges of W3C Membership granted by W3C Process >> extend to the organization's paid staff and Advisory >> Committee representative.” >> >> WITH >> >> ‘A “Member Consortium” means a consortium, user >> society, or association >> <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Voluntary_association> of >> two or more individuals, >> <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Individuals> companies >> <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Companies>, >> organizations >> <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Organizations> or >> governments >> <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Government> (or any >> combination of these entities) with the objective of >> participating in a common activity or pooling their >> resources to achieve a common goal (other than >> participation in, or achieving certain goals in, >> W3C). A corporation does not qualify as a >> “Consortium” merely because it has shareholders or >> stockholders. If it is not clear whether a >> prospective Member qualifies as a Member Consortium, >> the Director may reasonably make the determination. >> For a Member Consortium, the rights and privileges of >> W3C Membership described in the W3C Process Document >> extend to the Member Consortium’s paid staff and >> Advisory Committee representative.’ >> >> to more clearly distinguish a Consortium from an >> organization with shareholders (a.k.a. a company). >> >> Note, other changes to 2.1.2.1 have been suggested, >> but this change is solely aimed at clarifying what >> constitutes a Member Consortium. It does not change >> the rights, privileges and responsibilities of such >> organizations. >> >> Steve Z >> >> -- >> >> Charles McCathie Nevile - web standards - CTO Office, Yandex >> chaals@yandex-team.ru <mailto:chaals@yandex-team.ru> - - - >> Find more at http://yandex.com <http://yandex.com/> >> >> >> -- >> >> J. Alan Bird >> >> W3C Global Business Development Leader >> >> office +1 617 253 7823 mobile +1 978 335 0537 >> >> abird@w3.org <mailto:abird@w3.org> twitter @jalanbird >> >> -- >> >> Charles McCathie Nevile - web standards - CTO Office, Yandex >> chaals@yandex-team.ru <mailto:chaals@yandex-team.ru> - - - Find more >> at http://yandex.com <http://yandex.com/> >> > -- > Charles McCathie Nevile - web standards - CTO Office, Yandex > chaals@yandex-team.ru - - - Find more at http://yandex.com -- J. Alan Bird W3C Global Business Development Leader office +1 617 253 7823 mobile +1 978 335 0537 abird@w3.org twitter @jalanbird
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