W3C home > Mailing lists > Public > public-w3process@w3.org > May 2016

Re: Obsoleting a Recommendation, round three

From: David Singer <singer@apple.com>
Date: Mon, 02 May 2016 07:07:23 -0700
Cc: public-w3process@w3.org, Peter Linss <peter.linss@hp.com>
Message-id: <927ED770-CD9D-4BF2-8910-5172CEF89ABA@apple.com>
To: Daniel Appelquist <appelquist@gmail.com>
Hi Dan


> On May 1, 2016, at 3:36 , Daniel Appelquist <appelquist@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> Hi David –
> 
> I think we need to tee this up for discussion on our next TAG call in order to get you a coherent response. I'm not sure if the TAG wants to get into the business of being the “obsolesce committee.”

Well, I (and I think others) wanted a group that could answer the questions, in a neutral way
* does this recommendation really still form part of the architecture of the web platform?
* is this recommendation written in a way that we believe is well architected, and should still be implemented? does it follow reasonable architectural principles?

I can’t think of any other group than the TAG better placed to answer them.  These are technical questions, not the AB’s, for example. I doubt the WG still exists, or people in it would likely be discussing how to revise it etc.

> What other options have been discussed by the AB? Why can't this be first and foremost the responsibility of the working group which produced the specification in the first place, with the TAG only getting involved in the cases where the working group doesn't exist any more? Also, when you say "Anyone" can you clarify that a bit?

Like, anyone; I don’t think we should confine the request even to the membership. A TAG member, a W3C member, a team member, a member of the public.

Overall, I would hope that the TAG would see this as part of its remit in looking at the overall architecture of the web. Dealing with old stuff is just as important as new stuff, I think.

Cheers


> 
> Thanks,
> Dan
> 
> On Fri, 29 Apr 2016 at 10:49 David Singer <singer@apple.com> wrote:
> Added SZ’s point, and Wayne’s about being clear about Appeals, and added “if it exists” to the need to consult with the WG.  I think we need to be clearer about announcing “to other W3C Groups” — like, which ones? How? Maybe the Chairs list? The AC?
> 
> * * * *
> 
> After offline discussion with some AB members, and the call today, I offer the following.
> 
> 1) A new page, or section of a page, that defines what an Obsoleted Recommendation is.
> 
> An Obsoleted Recommendation is a Recommendation that the W3C membership no longer actively recommends be implemented; however, its formal status as a Recommendation (including its licensing status) remains.  (This is in contrast to a Rescinded Recommendation.)
> 
> A Recommendation may be considered obsolete if it is neither widely implemented nor expected to be. It may represent a technical direction that was not pursued further, or an architectural direction that is no longer in alignment with best practices in the industry. There may be alternative technologies better aligned with other parts of the Web Platform, or more in line with best practices. There may be technical drawbacks or even flaws associated with the Recommendation, but not so serious as to cause it to be Rescinded.
> 
> The W3C marks these as Obsolete to give guidance to the industry that new implementation is not sought or expected.
> 
> 
> 2) A new section of the Process Document, 6.X (6.10 if existing sections are not re-numbered, but it probably belongs before rescinded in logical order).
> 
> 6.X Obsoleting a Recommendation
> 
> Anyone may request of the TAG that a Recommendation be considered for Obsoletion. The request to the TAG MUST identify the Recommendation and give reasons why it should be considered Obsolete; for example, that the Recommendation has not been implemented, and no new implementations are expected; that there are better alternative specifications; that the Recommendation in question is not in alignment with best design practices, and so on.
> 
> The TAG MUST announce its intent to consider the Request to Obsolete the Recommendation [[to other W3C groups]] and to the public and SHOULD consult with any pertinent working groups, especially the Working Group that developed the Recommendation if it exists, or any obvious successor WG. The TAG MUST make the decision to proceed, by formal decision of the TAG.
> 
> On the TAG’s decision to proceed, an Obsoleted Recommendation follows the process for a Proposed Edited Recommendation as defined in 6.7.2 and 6.5 for changes to a Recommendation that are Editorial only.
> 
> If there is dissent in the Advisory Committee (votes against, or formal objections) the usual process to find consensus will be followed. Objections SHOULD include evidence that the proposal is flawed; for example, that the Recommendation is widely implemented, or it is reasonably expected that it will soon be widely implemented.
> 
> Considering the advice of the Advisory Committee, the Director approves or denies the decision to obsolete. If there was any dissent in Advisory Committee review, the Advisory Committee may appeal the Director’s decision.
> 
> An obsoleted Recommendation is marked as such (a) in the document itself and (b) on the TR page. The status ‘Obsoleted’ links to a standing page which explains the meaning of the term.
> 
> 
> David Singer
> Manager, Software Standards, Apple Inc.
> 

David Singer
Manager, Software Standards, Apple Inc.
Received on Monday, 2 May 2016 14:07:59 UTC

This archive was generated by hypermail 2.3.1 : Monday, 2 May 2016 14:08:00 UTC