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Re: Issue-144 Suggested updates to clarify Wide Review in Process2014

From: Jeff Jaffe <jeff@w3.org>
Date: Sun, 16 Nov 2014 08:43:19 -0500
Message-ID: <5468A9F7.90504@w3.org>
To: Stephen Zilles <szilles@adobe.com>, "public-w3process@w3.org" <public-w3process@w3.org>
CC: "Michael Champion (Michael.Champion@microsoft.com)" <Michael.Champion@microsoft.com>
Steve,

These are all great suggestions, but do not address a part of the Issue.

Chairs are also looking for a means to make it more routine - e.g. a 
standard list to send documents - and the team has responded with such a 
list.

I think we need to add comments about such a list.  For example, we 
could add a sentence of the form: "W3C has create a list 
public-review-announce@w3.org which Chairs might want to use as a 
component of wide review.  Merely posting to this list, without ensuring 
that actual reviews have been done, however, would not be sufficient by 
itself to achieve wide review."

Jeff

On 11/15/2014 2:22 PM, Stephen Zilles wrote:
>
> With respect to Issue 144, there was a discussion in a break out 
> session at TPAC 2014[1] that noted that Wide Review was updated in 
> Process 2014 to better insure that (1) reviews by a wide audience 
> actually occurred versus just being announced and (2) reviews were 
> undertaken early enough, when individual sections became stable, that 
> comments and suggested changes could and would be incorporated where 
> they were appropriate. It was observed that the current text of 
> section 7.2.3.1 Wide Review [2] does not do a very good job of making 
> these objectives clear. The following changes to the first paragraph 
> of 7.2.3.1 are suggested to clarify these objectives.
>
> Process2014 text:
>
> ===============
>
> /7.2.3.1 Wide Review/
>
> The requirements for /wide review/ are not precisely defined by the 
> W3C Process. The objective is to ensure that the entire set of 
> stakeholders of the Web community, including the general public, have 
> had adequate notice of the progress of the Working Group and thereby 
> an opportunity to comment on the specification. Before approving 
> transitions, the Director will consider who has been explicitly 
> offered a reasonable opportunity to review the document, who has 
> provided comments, the record of requests to and responses from 
> reviewers, especially groups identified as dependencies in the 
> charter, and seek evidence of clear communication to the general 
> public about appropriate times and which content to review.
>
> =============
>
> Four changes are proposed:
>
> 1.Change the following phrase in the first sentence of the paragraph, 
> "and thereby an opportunity to comment on the specification" TO "and 
> were able to actually perform reviews of and provide comments on the 
> specification"
>
> 2.Change the final phrase of the second sentence of the paragraph, 
> "and seek evidence of clear communication to the general public about 
> appropriate times and which content to review" TO "and seek evidence 
> of clear communication to the general public about appropriate times 
> and which content to review _and whether such reviews actually occurred_"
>
> 3.Change the initial phrase of the second sentence of the paragraph, 
> "the Director will consider who has been explicitly offered a 
> reasonable opportunity to review the document," to "the Director will 
> consider who has been explicitly offered a reasonable opportunity to 
> review the document, _when those offers were made,_"
>
> 4.Following the first sentence, ending with "opportunity to comment on 
> the specification", add the following sentence, "A second objective is 
> to encourage groups to request reviews early enough that comments and 
> suggested changes may still be reasonably incorporated in response to 
> the review."
> OR
> "A second objective is to encourage Groups to seek early review of 
> those portions of the document that have become stable enough to allow 
> meaningful review, being careful to identify which portions those are 
> in the review request."
> OR
> "A second objective is to encourage Groups to seek early review of 
> identified portions of the document that have become stable enough to 
> allow meaningful review."
>
> OR
>
> A second objective is to encourage Groups to seek early, incremental 
> review of identified portions of the document that are stable enough 
> for meaningful review but are still flexible enough to allow 
> incorporation of comments and suggested changes where that is 
> appropriate."
>
> [1] 
> https://www.w3.org/wiki/TPAC2014/SessionIdeas#What_is_Wide_Review_and_How_do_we_achieve_it 
>
>
> [2] http://www.w3.org/2014/Process-20140801/#wide-review 
> <http://www.w3.org/2014/Process-20140801/#wide-review>
>
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