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Re: Proposed new Schema.org type for poetry and fiction

From: <lazarus@lazaruscorporation.co.uk>
Date: Fri, 20 Mar 2015 11:47:59 +0000
To: Niklas Lindström <lindstream@gmail.com>, public-vocabs@w3.org
Message-ID: <dfeb61fab4a8c1df59a591a87221b700@lazaruscorporation.co.uk>
 

On 2015-03-20 10:29, Niklas Lindström wrote:
> Hi,
> 
> On Fri, Mar 20, 2015 at 7:01 AM, Paul Watson
> <lazarus@lazaruscorporation.co.uk> wrote:
> 
>> On 19/03/15 08:52, Anke Wehner wrote:
>>
>> On 19 March 2015 at 09:01, Paul Watson
>> <lazarus@lazaruscorporation.co.uk> wrote:
>> Hi
>>
>> I am thinking about proposing a new schema.org [1] type for poetry,
>> fiction, and other types of creative writing, as a subType of
>> schema.org/Article [2], perhaps with an additional property that can
>> be used to classify what type of creative writing it is (e.g. poem,
>> haiku, sonnet, short story, fan fiction, etc.).
>>
>> Having ways to categorise creative writing would be a good thing,
>> but I don't think defining them as subtype of Article makes sense
>> semantically. A poem, novel or movie script is not an article.
>>
>> How about creating CreativeWork > WrittenWork, moving wordCount,
>> pageEnd, pageStart and pagination from Article there, and making
>> Article and CreativeWriting subtypes of WrittenWork?
>>
>> Regards,
>>
>> Anke
> 
> I went for the least disruptive change rather than the most
> semantically correct one, but if people are happy to create
> WrittenWork and shift Article to be it's subtype then I'd be happy
> with that.
> 
> So, the suggestion as it stands is to create a new type of
> WrittenWork as a subtype of Article; move wordCount, pageEnd,
> pageStart and pagination from Article to it's new parent WrittenWork,
> then create a new subtype of WrittenWork called CreativeWriting, with
> at least one new property (currently unnamed) that can be used to
> classify what type of creative writing it is (e.g. poem, haiku,
> sonnet, short story, fan fiction, etc.). Or should we take the
> opportunity to create some subtypes of CreativeWriting while we're
> doing this (e.g. Poem, Story, Script, etc.) instead of using a new
> property of CreativeWriting to classify the type?
> 
> These seem like (bibliographic) questions I would like to involve the
> SchemaBibEx CG [1] in. There is a dedicated mailing list [2] where we
> could go into depth on this, unless all feel comfortable hashing out
> the options here. (I did not CC the schemabibex group in this reply.)
> 
> My spontaneous reaction is that there may be some need for a subtype
> for textual works. But I am wary about making it vaguely limited to
> "creative" forms (if "creative" here implies excluding non-fiction,
> academic essays and such). Anke's basic WrittenWork might be enough.
> The specific nature of the text can probably be given using
> http://schema.org/genre [3] (provided a resolution to schema issue 346
> [3]) in combination with external enumerations? (See e.g. "genre in
> literature" on wikipedia [4] for the motivation to use genre.) Compare
> that to the newly introduced property http://schema.org/artform [4],
> which (as I previously suggested) might be extended to include other
> forms of expression. (To me, it bears a resemblance to genre, perhaps
> even being a subproperty thereof.)
> 
> In any case, the multitude of nature-specific subclasses of
> WrittenText can explode just as with specific kinds of VisualArtwork
> (which was the motivation for introducing artwork as opposed to using
> multiple types directly). I'd really like experienced library folks to
> chime in, and that we avoid the introduction of anything overly
> specific here.
> 
> Cheers,
> Niklas
> 
> [1]: https://www.w3.org/community/schemabibex/ [5]
> [2]: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-schemabibex/ [6]
> [3]: https://github.com/schemaorg/schemaorg/issues/346 [7]
> [4]: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Genre#Literature [8]
> 

I'd be very grateful for the experienced library folks to chime in!

I think we've got to be careful about being confused between form (e.g.
the artform property of VisualArtwork or a new property for the proposed
new type for potery/fiction) and genre.

The former is about the form of the content (for VisualArtwork: Acrylic
Painting, Oil Painting, Drawing, Woodcut), whereas genre is about the
subject matter of the content (Landscape painting, studio portrait,
street scene).

This is probably even more apparent for written works where the new
'type' property would hold values such as "short story", "novel",
"novella", "Poem", "haiku" (relating to the form of the written work),
while the existing genre property inherited from CreativeWork would be
for the genre of the content of the written work: "Science Fiction",
"Fantasy", "Romance", "Horror", "Literary Fiction" etc.

Cheers

Paul

 > > > > Links: > ------ > [1] http://schema.org > [2]
http://schema.org/Article > [3] http://schema.org/genre > [4]
http://schema.org/artform > [5]
https://www.w3.org/community/schemabibex/ > [6]
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-schemabibex/ > [7]
https://github.com/schemaorg/schemaorg/issues/346 > [8]
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Genre#Literature
 
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