Re: Accessibility of places for schema.org

1+ on going breadth-first here.

In addition to the coverage issues you point out, going super-detailed
will:

A. Make the  vocabulary hard to use --
B. (A) will lead to inconsistencies in usage 
and 
C: A, B together will mean there is insufficient data to aggregate
along any given axis.


Guha writes:
 > There is a meta-issue that needs to be resolved --- we can create a super detailed vocabulary that covers everything (height of wash basin, steps to bathroom, ...), but it
 > is useful only if a substantial number of establishments are covered (i.e., described using this vocabulary on some website). 
 > 
 > I am very wary of a super detailed vocabulary. We are unlikely to both converge on such a vocabulary and even less likely to gain widespread adoption (amongst publishers and
 > applications) of such a detailed vocabulary.
 > 
 > I propose that we start with something comparatively simple, in core schema.org, while at the same time, the domain experts can create an extension (accessibility.schema.org
 > ) that does indeed go into the level of detail discussed in this thread.
 > 
 > guha
 > 
 > On Fri, Mar 13, 2015 at 4:35 AM, <chaals@yandex-team.ru> wrote:
 > 
 >     12.03.2015, 00:36, "Guha" <guha@google.com>:
 >    
 >         Chaals, Leonie,
 >          
 >          This is absolutely great. How do we get from here to a vocabulary?
 >    
 >      
 >     I think "slowly and organically, at least to begin with". There are obviously a ton of things that people might need to know, but equally obviosuly there are a ton of
 >     people who will need to use the vocabulary, and whose understanding of the issue is pretty minimal - of the variety "sure, I have a ramp at the door, or only a tiny step
 >     I can get my trolley over, so I'm good, right?"
 >      
 >     I'd like to start with a couple of things really fast, adding more (or fixing things we did) as we get experience.
 >      
 >     A useful thing I think most people could get right might be
 >     wheelChairEntry
 >     whether there is an entry suitable for a 'standard-size' wheelchair (at least 95cm/34" wide, no steps).
 >     Enumeration: "main", "none", "separate"
 >      
 >     I'd like to have something like "accessibilityNotes" that is a URL or text, effectively providing a pointer to something elsewhere, and enabling people to tell a more
 >     complete story without having a complete supporting vocabulary. This is actually a common thing on websites, so should apply to CreativeWork as well as Place.
 >      
 >     Contact details are a useful thing if people have questions that aren't answered by the information posted. They are actually already there, but if we are describing the
 >     things we do for physical accessibility we should note that. Likewise things like online or braille menus should be covered by the CreativeWork stuff, but we should
 >     point that out in describing the topic.
 >      
 >     Parking for disabled people is tricky. Geographic information is pretty complicated and really a more general problem, and parking for disabled people has its own set of
 >     issues we may want to delve into - or not. So I am going to start thinking about it, without proposing anything yet.
 >      
 >     We should probably start collecting the things we have into a wiki…
 >      
 >     cheers
 >      
 >    
 >          
 >          
 >         guha
 > 
 >         On Tue, Mar 10, 2015 at 3:43 PM, Léonie Watson <lwatson@paciellogroup.com> wrote:
 >        
 >             > From: chaals@yandex-team.ru [mailto:chaals@yandex-team..ru]
 >             > Sent: 10 March 2015 05:16
 >             > there are lots of things that people might want to know about in regards to
 >             > accessing a physical place (restaurant, bar, stadium, government office, etc.).
 >            
 >             Some things people will want to know will be general to all environments, whilst others will be specific to certain types of environment. The following
 >             suggestions don't fall into any particular grouping though...
 >            
 >             Is the main entrance wide enough to be usable with a wheelchair?
 >             Is there an alternative entrance that is wide enough to be usable with a wheelchair?
 >             What is the location of the doorbell/buzzer at the main entrance?
 >             Are corridors (including corners) wide enough to be navigated with a wheelchair?
 >             Can electric/power sockets be reached from a sitting position?
 >             Where are the electric/power sockets?
 >             Can light switches be reached from a sitting position?
 >             Can wash basins, kitchen facilities etc. be used from a sitting position?
 >             Can lift/elevator buttons be reached from a sitting position?
 >             Does the lift/elevator announce each floor with speech?
 >             Does the lift/elevator have braille labels for buttons?
 >             Does the lift/elevator have tactile buttons?
 >             Does the lift/elevator have high-visibility buttons?
 >             Is there adequate space for wheelchairs in meeting spaces, auditoriums, dining rooms etc.?
 >             Is the reception desk/registration point wheelchair friendly?
 >             IIs the bar wheelchair friendly?
 >             Is there table service?
 >             Is the environment free of obstacles at ground-level?
 >             Is the environment free of obstacles at head-height?
 >             Is there a place where guide dogs (and other service animals) can be fed/watered/relieved?
 >             What is the route from the main entrance to the place where guide dogs can be fed/watered/relieved?
 >             Are there parking spaces for people with disabilities?
 >             How many parking spaces for disabled people are available?
 >             How far from the main entrance of the building are the parking spaces for disabled people?
 >             Does the emergency system issue both audible and visual signals?
 >             Is there a hearing loop/assisted listening system available?
 >             Do signs and signage have high visibility?
 >             What is the route from the main entrance to X (where X might be the bar, reception, restroom etc.)?
 >             Do air-con controls have tactile buttons/speech output?
 >            
 >             Undoubtedly lots more that should be added, but that's all I can think of for the moment without getting into some questions that are very specific to certain
 >             types of environment. If these would be useful in any case, let me know though.
 >            
 >             Léonie.
 >            
 >             --
 >             Senior Accessibility Engineer, TPG
 >             @LeonieWatson @PacielloGroup
 > 
 >      
 >      
 >     --
 >     Charles McCathie Nevile - web standards - CTO Office, Yandex
 >     chaals@yandex-team.ru - - - Find more at http://yandex.com
 >      
 > 

-- 

--

Received on Monday, 16 March 2015 16:34:08 UTC