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Re: Accessibility of places for schema.org

From: Guha <guha@google.com>
Date: Sun, 15 Mar 2015 12:36:53 -0700
Message-ID: <CAPAGhv8jhPqONnc1Azpjc8b67oQEej=Fe_cmEVGfjeZ5QLV64g@mail.gmail.com>
To: Chaals from Yandex <chaals@yandex-team.ru>, TV Raman <raman@google.com>
Cc: "lwatson@paciellogroup.com" <lwatson@paciellogroup.com>, W3C Web Schemas Task Force <public-vocabs@w3.org>
There is a meta-issue that needs to be resolved --- we can create a super
detailed vocabulary that covers everything (height of wash basin, steps to
bathroom, ...), but it is useful only if a substantial number of
establishments are covered (i.e., described using this vocabulary on some

I am very wary of a super detailed vocabulary. We are unlikely to both
converge on such a vocabulary and even less likely to gain widespread
adoption (amongst publishers and applications) of such a detailed

I propose that we start with something comparatively simple, in core
schema.org, while at the same time, the domain experts can create an
extension (accessibility.schema.org) that does indeed go into the level of
detail discussed in this thread.


On Fri, Mar 13, 2015 at 4:35 AM, <chaals@yandex-team.ru> wrote:

> 12.03.2015, 00:36, "Guha" <guha@google.com>:
> Chaals, Leonie,
>  This is absolutely great. How do we get from here to a vocabulary?
> I think "slowly and organically, at least to begin with". There are
> obviously a ton of things that people might need to know, but equally
> obviosuly there are a ton of people who will need to use the vocabulary,
> and whose understanding of the issue is pretty minimal - of the variety
> "sure, I have a ramp at the door, or only a tiny step I can get my trolley
> over, so I'm good, right?"
> I'd like to start with a couple of things really fast, adding more (or
> fixing things we did) as we get experience.
> A useful thing I think most people could get right might be
> wheelChairEntry
> whether there is an entry suitable for a 'standard-size' wheelchair (at
> least 95cm/34" wide, no steps).
> Enumeration: "main", "none", "separate"
> I'd like to have something like "accessibilityNotes" that is a URL or
> text, effectively providing a pointer to something elsewhere, and enabling
> people to tell a more complete story without having a complete supporting
> vocabulary. This is actually a common thing on websites, so should apply to
> CreativeWork as well as Place.
> Contact details are a useful thing if people have questions that aren't
> answered by the information posted. They are actually already there, but if
> we are describing the things we do for physical accessibility we should
> note that. Likewise things like online or braille menus should be covered
> by the CreativeWork stuff, but we should point that out in describing the
> topic.
> Parking for disabled people is tricky. Geographic information is pretty
> complicated and really a more general problem, and parking for disabled
> people has its own set of issues we may want to delve into - or not. So I
> am going to start thinking about it, without proposing anything yet.
> We should probably start collecting the things we have into a wiki…
> cheers
> guha
> On Tue, Mar 10, 2015 at 3:43 PM, Léonie Watson <lwatson@paciellogroup.com>
> wrote:
> > From: chaals@yandex-team.ru [mailto:chaals@yandex-team.ru]
> > Sent: 10 March 2015 05:16
> > there are lots of things that people might want to know about in regards
> to
> > accessing a physical place (restaurant, bar, stadium, government office,
> etc.).
> Some things people will want to know will be general to all environments,
> whilst others will be specific to certain types of environment. The
> following suggestions don't fall into any particular grouping though...
> Is the main entrance wide enough to be usable with a wheelchair?
> Is there an alternative entrance that is wide enough to be usable with a
> wheelchair?
> What is the location of the doorbell/buzzer at the main entrance?
> Are corridors (including corners) wide enough to be navigated with a
> wheelchair?
> Can electric/power sockets be reached from a sitting position?
> Where are the electric/power sockets?
> Can light switches be reached from a sitting position?
> Can wash basins, kitchen facilities etc. be used from a sitting position?
> Can lift/elevator buttons be reached from a sitting position?
> Does the lift/elevator announce each floor with speech?
> Does the lift/elevator have braille labels for buttons?
> Does the lift/elevator have tactile buttons?
> Does the lift/elevator have high-visibility buttons?
> Is there adequate space for wheelchairs in meeting spaces, auditoriums,
> dining rooms etc.?
> Is the reception desk/registration point wheelchair friendly?
> IIs the bar wheelchair friendly?
> Is there table service?
> Is the environment free of obstacles at ground-level?
> Is the environment free of obstacles at head-height?
> Is there a place where guide dogs (and other service animals) can be
> fed/watered/relieved?
> What is the route from the main entrance to the place where guide dogs can
> be fed/watered/relieved?
> Are there parking spaces for people with disabilities?
> How many parking spaces for disabled people are available?
> How far from the main entrance of the building are the parking spaces for
> disabled people?
> Does the emergency system issue both audible and visual signals?
> Is there a hearing loop/assisted listening system available?
> Do signs and signage have high visibility?
> What is the route from the main entrance to X (where X might be the bar,
> reception, restroom etc.)?
> Do air-con controls have tactile buttons/speech output?
> Undoubtedly lots more that should be added, but that's all I can think of
> for the moment without getting into some questions that are very specific
> to certain types of environment. If these would be useful in any case, let
> me know though.
> Léonie.
> --
> Senior Accessibility Engineer, TPG
> @LeonieWatson @PacielloGroup
> --
> Charles McCathie Nevile - web standards - CTO Office, Yandex
> chaals@yandex-team.ru - - - Find more at http://yandex.com
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