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Re: [Proposal] schema:OnlineCourse

From: Jim Goodell <jimgoodell@qi-partners.com>
Date: Thu, 05 Mar 2015 14:01:25 -0500
To: Wes Turner <wes.turner@gmail.com>
CC: Vicki Tardif Holland <vtardif@google.com>, Jim Goodell <jgoodell2@yahoo.com>, "public-vocabs@w3.org" <public-vocabs@w3.org>
Message-ID: <D11E1215.68658%jimgoodell@qi-partners.com>
Wes, +1 to a property to differentiate between self-paced vs. fixed-pace.

This is something that can apply to both physical and virtual/online
courses. It could be an property of the Course design (creative work), or it
could be an attribute of a instance of delivery, e.g. the same content
offered in a fixed-pace instance and another Section of the same Course that
allows students to go at their own pace.

³Self-paced² can apply even when there are start and end dates, e.g. One of
my children is taking online courses that must be completed within a time
frame, but every student in the class (Course Section) is working through
the learning activities at their own pace. So a ³Self Paced² property should
be clearly defined and non-ambiguous. The notion of start anytime, finish
anytime (the class-central use case) might be handled as the absence of
start and end dates, but that might be misinterpreted as meaning a Course
Section is not yet scheduled. So maybe two properties are needed for the two
different concepts, self-paced vs. fixed-pace and self-paced vs. no
prescribed start and end dates.

From:  Wes Turner <wes.turner@gmail.com>
Date:  Thursday, March 5, 2015 at 12:51 PM
To:  Jim Goodell <jimgoodell@qi-partners.com>
Cc:  Vicki Tardif Holland <vtardif@google.com>, Jim Goodell
<jgoodell2@yahoo.com>, "public-vocabs@w3.org" <public-vocabs@w3.org>
Subject:  Re: [Proposal] schema:OnlineCourse

Class-central [1] differentiates between 'Self Paced' and 'courses with a
start and end date'.

[1] https://www.class-central.com/subject/cs

On Thu, Mar 5, 2015 at 10:58 AM, Jim Goodell <jimgoodell@qi-partners.com>
wrote:
> I donıt think we had a strong objection to use of a subclass for the concept
> of online course (and online course section), only a strong feeling that there
> is a better option, i.e. just add a property to Course/CourseSection objects
> to indicate that it is designed-for/offered ³online². It keeps things simple
> and flexible. 
> 
> Others can chime in here. My perspective is based on this: CEDS stakeholders
> looked into this and found that most of the properties are the same as
> traditional courses. Properties that we might think of as unique to an online
> course, such as ³Course Interaction Mode² (1), could also apply to blended
> learning courses that involve both online and off line participation. So that
> group opted to go with a ³Virtual Indicator² (2) flag rather than define a new
> entity.
> 
> -jim
> 
> 
> (1) https://ceds.ed.gov/CEDSElementDetails.aspx?TermId=8277
> (2) https://ceds.ed.gov/CEDSElementDetails.aspx?TermId=8167
> 
> From:  Vicki Tardif Holland <vtardif@google.com>
> Date:  Thursday, March 5, 2015 at 11:28 AM
> To:  Jim Goodell <jgoodell2@yahoo.com>
> Cc:  "public-vocabs@w3.org" <public-vocabs@w3.org>
> Subject:  Re: [Proposal] schema:OnlineCourse
> Resent-From:  <public-vocabs@w3.org>
> Resent-Date:  Thu, 05 Mar 2015 16:29:07 +0000
> 
> I agree that another term besides "Course" needs to be considered. (Oddly
> enough, I attended a university that uses "course" the way other US
> universities use "major", so I am sympathetic to the issues with the term..)
> 
> Putting aside Course vs Class vs some other term for now, what is the
> objection to a subclass for online sessions?
> 
> - Vicki
> 
> 
> Vicki Tardif Holland | Ontologist | vtardif@google.com
>  
> 
> On Wed, Feb 25, 2015 at 12:11 PM, Jim Goodell <jgoodell2@yahoo.com> wrote:
>> I used what seems to be the key points of consensus from comments posted to
>> Vickiıs doc, and the thread, to mark up suggested changes to the proposal.
>> 
>> https://docs.google.com/document/d/12YWjLzZC8FiTiOwSAETRIEozeqZdn6O8a4fgqK4t5
>> Ss/edit?usp=sharing
>> 
>> -Jim Goodell 
>> 
> 
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