Re: relating IndividualProduct to Product

Hi Thad

One might argue iPhone to be the brand.

You may then have a hierarchy of schema:ProductModel (related via schema:isVariantOf) for example the 'base' iPhone 6 with variants of memory color etc. even those may have various manufacturing variants (different chipsets, firmware etc.).

An actual individual phone can then be related to the precise model via schema:model as mentioned by Niklas.

In some industries knowing the exact model can be very relevant due to manufacturing location which may affect export control regulations.

Regards,

John

On 10 Apr 2015, at 17:05, Thad Guidry <thadguidry@gmail.com> wrote:

> Niklas has another good approach.
> 
> That is where you treat "The Fairphone" as the concept of "The 1st Fairphone Model".  There might be further models later, or there may never be.
> 
> Before iPhone 6 there was just the iPhone (1st gen) and it's productID was actually lowercase "iphone"
> 
> 
> Thad
> +ThadGuidry
> 
> On Fri, Apr 10, 2015 at 10:01 AM, Thad Guidry <thadguidry@gmail.com> wrote:
> I would suggest to use instead productID
> 
> but looks like we need to expand it's datatype ?
> 
> the productID is reserved for exactly your case (hard linking an individualProduct to a "product group" or productID...
> however the problem is that the datatype is only text at the moment.
> 
> 
> Thad
> +ThadGuidry
> 
> On Fri, Apr 10, 2015 at 9:47 AM, Niklas Lindström <lindstream@gmail.com> wrote:
> Hi,
> 
> You could use sdo:model to link to a sdo:ProductModel, like:
> 
>     {
>       "@id": "https://www.fairphone.com/fairphone",
>       "@type": "ProductModel",
>       "name": "The Fairphone"
>     }
> 
>     {
>       "@id": "https://graph.wwelves.org/704e3a57-c09e-4846-b27a-d31854096572"
>       "@type": "IndividualProduct",
>       "model": {"@id": "https://www.fairphone.com/fairphone"},
>       "name": "A Fairphone currently used by elf Pavlik",
>       "serialNumber": "2092043924022"
>     }
> 
> Cheers,
> Niklas
> 
> 
> On Fri, Apr 10, 2015 at 4:39 PM, ☮ elf Pavlik ☮ <perpetual-tripper@wwelves.org> wrote:
> On 04/10/2015 04:27 PM, Thad Guidry wrote:
> > I would explain it as:
> > http://schema.org/Product  is really "Product Category Offered".  You could
> > also think "Product Class Offered" or "Product Group Offered" if it helps.
> >
> > beneath that you might have 5 laptops that you are offering to sell as a
> > product... so each one....is an  http://schema.org/IndividualProduct
> >
> > Fairphone is definitely a http://schema.org/Product   each individual one
> > (with it's unique IMEI code) is a http://schema.org/IndividualProduct
> >
> > You can also say:
> > http://schema.org/IndividualProduct can be registered by users using their
> > IMEI, Serial #, etc... something that uniquely ties that individual product
> > to that customer.
> >
> > Only put things that are individually unique for a particular IMEI, Serial
> > #, etc... against the http://schema.org/IndividualProduct
> > One thing that you can put against that http://schema.org/IndividualProduct
> > is actually a chipset firmware version ... because sometimes some folks get
> > version A1 and later on in production the rest of the users might be
> > getting version A2, etc... if you have that kind of data...that would go
> > under http://schema.org/IndividualProduct  rather than saying ALL your
> > Fairphones have version A2 by putting ia firmware version under
> > http://schema.org/Product
> Thanks Thad, makes sense but I still don't find answer to my question.
> 
> How exactly do I link an IndividualProduct
> {
>   "@id": "https://graph.wwelves.org/704e3a57-c09e-4846-b27a-d31854096572"
>   "@type": "IndividualProduct",
>   "name": "A Fairphone currently used by elf Pavlik",
>   "serialNumber": "2092043924022"
> }
> 
> to the Product
> 
> {
>   "@id": "https://www.fairphone.com/fairphone",
>   "@type": "Product",
>   "name": "The Fairphone"
> }
> 
> ?
> 
> 
> >
> >
> >
> > Thad
> > +ThadGuidry <https://www.google.com/+ThadGuidry>
> >
> > On Fri, Apr 10, 2015 at 8:52 AM, ☮ elf Pavlik ☮ <
> > perpetual-tripper@wwelves.org> wrote:
> >
> >> Hello,
> >>
> >> Looking at
> >> * http://schema.org/Product
> >>   "Any offered product or service. For example: a pair of shoes; a
> >> concert ticket; the rental of a car; a haircut; or an episode of a TV
> >> show streamed online."
> >> * http://schema.org/IndividualProduct
> >>   "A single, identifiable product instance (e.g. a laptop with a
> >> particular serial number)."
> >>
> >> I struggle to understand how I can specify for IndividualProduct just
> >> URI of the relevant Product. For example
> >>
> >> {
> >>   "@id": "https://www.fairphone.com/fairphone",
> >>   "@type": "Product",
> >>   "name": "The Fairphone"
> >> }
> >>
> >> {
> >>   "@id": "https://graph.wwelves.org/704e3a57-c09e-4846-b27a-d31854096572"
> >>   "@type": "IndividualProduct",
> >>   "name": "A Fairphone currently used by elf Pavlik",
> >>   "serialNumber": "2092043924022"
> >> }
> >>
> >> I understand that I could *duplicate* all the values of properties from
> >> * https://www.fairphone.com/fairphone
> >> on
> >> * https://graph.wwelves.org/704e3a57-c09e-4846-b27a-d31854096572
> >> But I would prefer to just reference it by URI and if needed embed
> >> information about Product resource in document describing
> >> IndividualProduct resource. And the generic data about Product would
> >> keep https://www.fairphone.com/fairphone as its subject.
> >>
> >> Thank you for help with understanding how to do that, or pointing out
> >> flaws in my approach.
> >>
> >> Cheers!
> >>
> >>
> >
> 
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