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Re: September Update on Sports

From: Kingsley Idehen <kidehen@openlinksw.com>
Date: Thu, 25 Sep 2014 12:29:04 -0400
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To: public-vocabs@w3.org
On 9/25/14 10:58 AM, Peter F. Patel-Schneider wrote:
> Just because something is done in Cyc (or DBpedia, or Freebase, or 
> SUMO, or ...) some particular way does not mean that it should be done 
> in schema.org (or DBpedia, or Freebase, or ...) that way. This would 
> be true even if the goals of Cyc (or ...) were very similar to the 
> goals of schema.org (or ...). However, just because something is done 
> in Cyc (or ...) in some particular way does not mean that it should 
> *not* be done in schema.org (or ...) that way.  I would hope that even 
> if we think that the people behind Cyc are not giants that we can do 
> better than otherwise if we stand on their shoulders (or maybe on 
> their toes).
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> The reason to have sub- and super-sports is to be able to talk about 
> sports at different levels of granularity, letting content producers 
> describe their information in a natural way but also letting content 
> consumers extract the information that they need. There are lots of 
> concepts that can benefit from this sort of treatment, from artistic 
> genres to professions to cuisines.
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> One reason to look at the precise details of how Cyc handles this 
> representational meme is to see how a powerful representation 
> formalism can provide support for many aspects of the meme.  The 
> Cyc-based solution can then be examined to determine better ways to 
> support the meme in less-powerful formalisms.
>
>
> peter

+1

That's why I shared the link in the first place. Very well stated !


Kingsley
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> On 09/25/2014 07:28 AM, martin.hepp@ebusiness-unibw.org wrote:
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>> On 25 Sep 2014, at 16:08, Peter F. Patel-Schneider 
>> <pfpschneider@gmail.com> wrote:
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>>> That's the general approach.
>>>
>>> peter
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>> Why should this be the general approach for schema.org?
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>> Note that Cyc and schema.org have different goals:
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>> Cyc is "an artificial intelligence project that attempts to assemble 
>> a comprehensive ontology and knowledge base of everydaycommon sense 
>> knowledge, with the goal of enabling AI applications to perform 
>> human-like reasoning."
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>> Schema.org is "a collection of schemas that webmasters can use to 
>> markup HTML pages in ways recognized by major search providers, and 
>> that can also be used for structured data interoperability".
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>> Compare the definition of "place" in Cyc with that one in schema.org:
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>> Cyc: "A specialization of EnduringThing_Localized (q.v). Each 
>> instance of Place is a spatial thing which has a relatively permanent 
>> location. Thus, in a given microtheory, each Place is stationary with 
>> respect to the frame of reference of that microtheory."
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>> Schema.org: "Entities that have a somewhat fixed, physical extension."
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>> A clean conceptual foundation is in general good for schema.org, but 
>> it is not the only dimension for judging the quality of modeling 
>> choices. How well typical Web developers can grasp the intension of 
>> the concepts is similarly important.
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>> This is why Cyc may have the type "human that is not an infant":
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>> http://sw.opencyc.org/concept/Mx8Ngx4rwROrhZwpEbGdrcN5Y29ycB4rIcwFloGUQdeMlsOWYLFB2x4rvVjLpZwpEbGdrcN5Y29ycA 
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>> Schema.org will likely not have it, at least not under that name.
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>> Martin
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>> Best wishes / Mit freundlichen Grüßen
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>> Martin Hepp
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>> On 25 Sep 2014, at 16:08, Peter F. Patel-Schneider 
>> <pfpschneider@gmail.com> wrote:
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>>> That's the general approach.
>>>
>>> peter
>>>
>>> On 09/25/2014 06:51 AM, Kingsley Idehen wrote:
>>>> On 9/24/14 2:59 PM, Peter F. Patel-Schneider wrote:
>>>>> Intriguing.
>>>>>
>>>>> Is there going to be a non-trivial theory of sports.  For example, 
>>>>> will
>>>>> there be sub-sports?
>>>>>
>>>>> peter
>>>>>
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>>>> Peter,
>>>>
>>>> How about the OpenCyc description of Sports [1] ?
>>>>
>>>> [1] http://linkeddata.uriburner.com/c/9C7VWH6J -- Sports
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Kingsley
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