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Re: Reintroducing the Music proposal

From: Karen Coyle <kcoyle@kcoyle.net>
Date: Tue, 23 Sep 2014 12:31:39 -0700
Message-ID: <5421CA9B.9000503@kcoyle.net>
To: public-vocabs@w3.org

On 9/23/14, 11:20 AM, Peter F. Patel-Schneider wrote:
> This proposal has a number of issues.

Actually, I think it's pretty good, with a few comments below:

>
> byArtist is a bad name for the performer, as the name of the relation could
> just as easily mean composer or lyricist.


Performer would be better. At the moment, /performer is a property of 
event. That makes sense to me, as performing is indeed an event. It 
should be usable even if "event-ness" isn't highlighted in the music 
proposal.

>
> Is composer specific to the music or a composition or does it also include
> lyricists?


The term "composer" means: the person who composed the music - either 
notated or performed (e.g. free jazz). There may be ambiguous edge 
cases, but generally the term is well-understood.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Composer

>
> How is "music and lyrics by" to be represented?

How about:

composer = Joe Blow
lyricist = Joe Blow

>
> Are composer and lyricist subproperties of creator or author?

If there is a reason to sub- them to anything, I would sub-them to 
creator. My guess is that most people will think of author as a person 
who writes free-standing text (books, articles, poems). However, I don't 
immediately see a use case where it would make a difference.

>
> How should the various other values for creators, e.g., Traditional, be
> represented?
>
> The ranges of several properties are different when they probably should be
> the same.
> byArtist - MusicGroup

perhaps this should be "or Person"?

> composer - Organization or Person
> lyricist - Person

yes, should be same as composer, for those times when the whole group 
gets credit.

> Quite a few lyrics of popular songs are credited to a music group as a
> whole.
>
> Are cover songs arrangements?  Are themes and variations arrangements?  Are
> parodies arrangements?  The description of musicArrangement is much too
> vague.
>
> The examples for musicCompositionForm should go beyond classical music, for
> example, power ballad.

I'm not a musicologist, but "composition form" is not the same as music 
genre. See:
   https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_musical_forms_by_era
   https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Musical_forms
Composition form is somewhat close to the forms of poetry, like sonnet 
or couplet. I think what you're looking for is the music genre -
"rondeau" is a musical composition form, but "power ballad" or "Gangsta 
Rap" is a music type or genre. I don't see anything here that would 
allow one to list the music genre - perhaps I missed that. I'm sure it 
will be wanted. It appears that musicbrainz punts on this and uses an 
uncontrolled "tag" field for the genres. Given how subjective this is, 
especially for modern music, that's probably the easiest way out.

kc


>
> MusicRecording is a bad name for a track.  There are tracks in albums that
> do not correspond to compositions, e.g., compositions split over multiple
> sides of an album, as for Thick as a Brick.  Going further back, many
> 8-track tapes split compositions into multiple tracks.
>
> The comment on track is too vague.  Presumably a track on a music album
> is a
> part of the album that is somehow a single unit.  However, tracks on
> classical albums are very often not songs, but instead often relate to
> movements.
>
>
> It would have been helpful to point to information on how this proposal
> relates to MusicBrainz.
>
>
> peter
>
>
> On 09/23/2014 10:16 AM, Vicki Tardif Holland wrote:
>> Now that ItemList appears to be near completion, I would like to
>> re-submit for
>> comments a proposal to add music-related types and properties.
>>
>> The proposal was developed through collaboration with the MusicBrainz
>> project
>> and partially inspired by the MusicBrainz and Music Ontology schemas.
>>
>> See the test build pages:
>> http://sdo-music.appspot.com/MusicComposition
>> <http://sdo-music.appspot.com/MusicComposition>
>> http://sdo-music.appspot.com/MusicGroup
>> <http://sdo-music.appspot.com/MusicGroup>
>> http://sdo-music.appspot.com/MusicAlbum
>> <http://sdo-music.appspot.com/MusicAlbum>
>> http://sdo-music.appspot.com/MusicRecording
>> <http://sdo-music.appspot.com/MusicRecording>
>> http://sdo-music.appspot.com/StudioAlbum
>> <http://sdo-music.appspot.com/StudioAlbum>
>> http://sdo-music.appspot.com/AlbumRelease
>> <http://sdo-music.appspot.com/AlbumRelease>
>>
>> - Vicki
>>
>> Vicki Tardif Holland | Ontologist |vtardif@google.com
>> <mailto:vtardif@google.com>
>
>

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