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Re: Move schema:fileSize & schema:fileFormat to schema:CreativeWork

From: Dan Scott <dan@coffeecode.net>
Date: Thu, 4 Sep 2014 14:54:41 -0400
To: Karen Coyle <kcoyle@kcoyle.net>
Cc: "public-vocabs@w3.org" <public-vocabs@w3.org>
Message-ID: <20140904185440.GA5832@denials>
On Thu, Sep 04, 2014 at 11:36:30AM -0700, Karen Coyle wrote:
>There may not be an easy way to do this, but "same content, different 
>format" and "different content but related concepts" may need to be 
>differentiated. 

They may, if something more than a gut feeling is provided as a
rationale, but we could start by using exampleOfWork / workExample now.

> Actually, the former now reminds me of the 
>accessibility proposals, which might solve this, since those were 
>focused specifically on different technology capabilities of the same 
>content, so that people needing a particular technology or 
>accessibility feature could know that they were getting the same 
>content, not something different.

I'm not sure if https://www.w3.org/wiki/WebSchemas/Accessibility was
what you were thinking of (a link would be helpful), but when I read the
definition for http://schema.org/encoding ("A media object that encodes
this CreativeWork"), it sounds like a specialization of workExample that
would work (hah) reasonably well for this need... if MediaObject was
broadened from audio/image/video to something broader, or alternately,
the range of the property was broadened to a new "FileObject" type
(which could use the fileSize / fileFormat properties that started this
thread).

But in the mean time, it seems to me that exampleOfWork / workExample
would work well enough to express this relationship until such time that
more specific proposals are brought forth.

>On 9/4/14, 11:12 AM, Dan Scott wrote:
>>On Thu, Sep 04, 2014 at 10:08:55AM -0700, Karen Coyle wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>On 9/4/14, 8:36 AM, Dan Scott wrote:
>>>>>How can we express that there is a PDF and an ODT of the same document?
>>>>
>>>>... thanks to the workExample / exampleOfWork properties that were
>>>>recently added to schema.org, you can express those relationships. See
>>>>https://github.com/rvguha/schemaorg/pull/108 for a request to add
>>>>examples for those properties to schema.org (where we express that there
>>>>are both book editions and movie adaptations of a given novel).
>>>
>>>
>>>My gut feeling is that PDF/ODT is not the same as a book and a movie
>>>derived from the book. Would both be coded with workExample?
>>
>>Hmm, my gut feels differently than your gut. I would say yes, they would
>>be coded with either or both of exampleOfWork and workExample.
>>
>>exampleOfWork: "A creative work that this work is an
>>example/instance/realization/derivation of."
>>
>>Let's add LaTeX to the mix. If you are in the business of running a
>>repository of open access scholarly articles, you might want to offer
>>LaTeX, HTML, and PDF versions of each article. Each format would exist
>>at a different URL*, and they are three different instances of the
>>same creative work, right?
>>
>>* Well, okay, you could use content-negotiation to serve them up at the
>>same URL, but that seems unlikely to occur on the normal web.
>>
>
>-- 
>Karen Coyle
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>
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